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What is it with this "trendy" ,"modern", "softy" parenting style? Anyone?

MarriedwithChild's picture

I'm not saying to beat the kids or anything but I would love to know how many of you out there feel the same way?

I'm talking the all-new "be ever so gentle" to these (not all) horrid brats, take a gazillion pics of them, don't raise your voice,sign them up for everything that everybody "else" is doing, catering, (don't get upset with the lack of respect, just go to a yoga class instead...breathe....) ???

I'm only in my 30's and just about everywhere I turn lately, I see this "new" trend. I can't imagine what this generation will be like when/ and if they ever grow up? Am I wrong here or is enforcing rules and respect illegal lately?

If they are 9 years old and scream out in public, "Fuck You" we are just supposed to "take" it and go for a swim?

bioandstep2009's picture

I'm 30 and I feel the same way you do. We are definitely in a child centered society it seems. "Don't do anything to upset the darlings, don't encourage them to reach to perform at higher standards, let's celebrate mediocrity and everyone gets a medal, whether earned or not etc." Yep, baffles me every day!

MarriedwithChild's picture

Exactly! OMG! I feel sometimes like I must have fell asleep and woke-up to something new going on...

Everywhere! (almost) kids treating their families/ friends/ teachers (whatever) like they are all garbage! Then you see some "gay" looking dad (imo) "whispering"..." Now, now, let's not do that, darling..." While that kid just purposely socked an old lady or something?

I'm sorry (not) but it looks really "gay."

Why in the world would ANY parent "reward" a kid with goodies if they are growing up with NO respect?! Huh?

folkmom's picture

you mean like our BM telling the kids to call her by her first name? or when SS15 is talking abotu his first car and both his father and grandfather (maternal) have offerred FREE cars, he ha sturned them down as "not good enough." and the BM said (honest to god) "well dad's car would eb a good trade in for you to get abrand new car." OMG~

Coldandloved's picture

OMFG Seriously! Ridiculous! BM is a good trade for $50 bucks too have at it! I"m afraid a ton of BMs don't understand the whole divorce thing.

MarriedwithChild's picture

I HAVE seen the "first" name thing going on lately too? Huh? I can't imagine calling my mom up and asking for her by first name? She would think me insane...

Must be nice to snub everything at such a young age. At 15, I went to school, worfed and WALKED or BIKED my ass there in So. Ca.

I won't lie...my own bs18 once said something to me at 16 that was never said again...Yes, I smacked the shit out of him...

Coldandloved's picture

To be honest, I'm even younger than you and I'm COMPLETELY amused. These people are so obsessed with not ever being mean, that they end up sending an @$$load of mixed messages.

A. *soft voice* That's really inappropriate honey.

OK say that to your cat, it'll purr and rub against you, you're sweet talking it not sassing it.

B. I said no, I'm saying no again, please don't make me keep saying no.

Because hearing you say no, is the ultimate consequence? I'm laughing with your kid.

C. You can only buy two toys. You're misbehaving you're not getting anything other than the two toys I said I'd get you? Well then... made out either way huh Mum... I still got the toys, and you got no respect.

bioandstep2009's picture

Yep, I especially love (NOT) when the kids ask you for something, you say no and they keep on asking. I've taken to responding at the second request,"Asked and answered!" LOL When I grew up, I didn't dare second guess or question my parents. There was no "Why" in response to a decision made. That was considering talking back and my parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents would have NONE of that!

stepof 1nitemare's picture

UH YUCK..Babytalking is the worst.. I talk to my boys in a matter of fact manner. They know I mean what I say, they respect me and in turn they get respect. I heard my 11 year old ( when he was like 9) tell my mom she was retarted and he was grounded for a week for the disrespect.. I wont tolerate it. I am a teacher and I see this crap everyday.. I dont take it from my kids at school either, granted they try to pull it, but they get a happy little lunch detention or a sweet little trip to the principals office.. Disrespect is intolerable by children, I wont have it..

AND I HATE BABYTALKING, my SD does it to my baby and I seriously want to vomit.. If she cant talk to him properly she can get the hell away from him.. He understands regular speech just like every other human, he dont need to be babytalked to.. The worst is when she says Hey Bu----bba in her whiny baby voice,.. GAG, i may puke now just thinkning about it..

If the Broom Fits, Ride It!!!!!

folkmom's picture

definately a cop out. really it is "love me love me...i will give you whatever you want, be as cool as i think I need to be, fail to enforce rules or boundaries...all in an effort for you to love me best" except...kids grow up and can eventually think for themselves. patience is the greatest virtue of a step parent. it is amazing what kids will realize post-age 25.

JustAnotherSM's picture

Folkmon, you hit the nail on the head! My BM is (and has always been) like this with my SS17. I also see this with my sister and her 2 children, and she's still married. It's very sad.

MarriedwithChild's picture

Has anyone else seen the "softy" types of mums and dads cooing their kids? I mean they march into let's say a wally world and go straight for the toy section? Huh? I'm going to get my stuff kid, you can tag along if you like...

MsPerception's picture

Soft sell parents-my nickname for them Smile

**No gratitude? only attitude? thanks, but I'll pass**

I only have one shot at a truly great life and not one spent waiting for a man to notice me, want me, love me and be true to only me. 2010 is the year of "me" **

bioandstep2009's picture

I was raised to respect your elders, something that obviously is not being instilled in today's youth. I'm from another country and moved here at 16. I was appalled when I heard this 8 or 9 year old cursing at one of the neighbors. Have you ever watched the shows on Nick, Disney etc. with "tweens"? They talk to the adult characters like they are morons and the adults in turn smile sheepishly.

Red-headed_Stepmom's picture

I recommend the "Love & Logic" parenting. It helps build responsibility and thinking skills in kids. It's non-violent(no spanking, etc.) but seems to work. We're still working on being consistent with it.

I don't think the "soft parenting" skills are that new, I think we have a generation of people looking for the easy way out and no personal responsibility just out of college - but that's my opinion. And I also believe that cell phones have created a safe way for people to be rude to and not connect with the other people that they are in the same area they are. Don't get me wrong here, I don't want to give mine up - but we've let so much come in the way of what used to be common courtesy.

folkmom's picture

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MarriedwithChild's picture

I have to go shopping for groceries today and it is getting to where I hate to go because ss5 won't eat anything but chicken nuggets, pizza, chocolate milk, maybe a grilled cheese? Thanks to his parents upbringing thus far...Who wants to cook for anyone that doesn't "like" the food, much less sit and eat and say a "Thank You!" ???

MsPerception's picture

Yeah I got tired of feeding 7 and only 1 turning up their noses at my dinner (not mine either let me tell you) and daddy saying he's just pikcy. REALLY???? Because he got that way on his own I suppose >:)

**No gratitude? only attitude? thanks, but I'll pass**

**I only have one shot at a truly great life and not one spent waiting for a man to notice me, want me, love me and be true to only me. 2010 is the year of "me" **

Wicked.Step.Monster's picture

Ok I'm almost 40 (next year... omg) and I'm a HUGE pushover parent to perfectson we all know.... BUT ask him what happened when we were into it and he called me a bitch... hmmmm.... SMACK. He's never done it again and I bet he never will.

I guess by this list I'm a half-way trendy parent. I have probably 15 albums of pictures of nothing but perfectson's life, I spent $1300 on his SR pictures, and still need to get a few more, I've signed him up for any activity he's ever wanted to do. I've rarely ever missed any of his sports games, and driven all over the place and taken off work so not to miss them.

Yes, I pretty much think perfectson can do no wrong, but if he DOES do wrong, "I" am the only one allowed to get in his face about it. I will defend him to the ends of the Earth. I have gone up against teachers and even the school administration last year when I think he's been wronged.

That being said, he's an awesome kid. Good grades, soccer captain, student council officer, has a JOB that he got all by himself, has his own checking account and helps pay his bills with his own money.

We're close friends AND mother/son too. You CAN be a parent and a friend, you just have to know when to step in each role.

Anyway, that's my little rant... Smile

folkmom's picture

i had a mom who thought we watched too much tv. she got mad when we snuck tv while she worked a second job and did not do our chores. my mom did not ground us. no. she did not forbid tv. no. SHE CUT THE CORD to the tv.
lol. my mom always had consequences. a "healthy fear" is what she called it. and i was in line pretty much all the time because of it.

MarriedwithChild's picture

What good is a book when your are the SM with zero ability to raise the SK?

I don't condone child abuse or anything but no, when MY son called me a "B" at 16...I did smack his face right away. Never heard it again and heard, "I was wrong mom." for months...He now "fights" for girls who have gone thru date rape/ violence.

folkmom's picture

my "discipline" weapon as the SM is this...i have a "look" and since I do not handle the discipline...if I am in the moment...I give the "look" and sometimes will just say "well, you have dissapointed me with your behavior." and leave it at dissapointment. i usually get a sorry down the road freely from SD if that happens. I learned from my mom the power of a "dissapointed" parent.

MarriedwithChild's picture

"i had a mom who thought we watched too much tv. she got mad when we snuck tv while she worked a second job and did not do our chores. my mom did not ground us. no. she did not forbid tv. no. SHE CUT THE CORD to the tv."

Sounds like my own mum too...lmao

Won't get off the PC to go to bed on a school night? Go outside and rip the cable line out of the box...message recieved.

Pantera's picture

My Mom and I were just talking about this. We are wondering what this generation is going to grow up to be like. Its scary. Im 28 and don't understand this easy/guitly parent crap, I think it sets the child up for failure.

"If I turn into another, Dig me up from under what is covering the better part of me" -Incubus

Mommyto1Stepto2's picture

What is this "passive" parenting style?? I don't like it. Maybe we're old school in our thinking but it does seem like that is the trend now.

Here inlies the problem - we honestly have no say in how are stepchildren are raised. So if their birth parents want to raise them like that because they "feel sorry" for them or want to be the "good parent" we have to live with it. That means, oh don't make your bed if you don't want to, if you don't like my cooking then go ahead and have a bowl of cereal, oh everybody is going to camp all summer so you want to go then that's fine, you're 12 and you want to watch a rated R movie, I'm not going to tell you no, You're 11 and you want a cell phone --- well I told you when you're 12 but I don't want to uphold what I told you before so I'll just buy you one now, oh you want to take guitar lessons because your friend does - well, I'll just go out and buy you a $400 guitar and get you signed up for lessons with him! WTF?? The kids are CONSTANTLY whining if we ask them to do ANY kind of work around the house because they're used to being waited on hand and foot and having NO responsibility or being told NO!!!

An example, my stepson had a friend over a couple weeks ago. We picked him up and his mom said she'd come get him around 5 o'clock which would give them a good 3 hours to play. Stepson asked DH if he could stay later and I said No I didn't think he should because we were all going to have dinner together and his mom was already planning to come at 5. He gets mad at me because I said no....It's like why did you even ask me then?? He said well he asked me if he could stay...don't you want him to have friends?? Well yes I do but jeez we see him only a 1/3 of the time, isn't 3 hours enough for play time!!!

soverysad's picture

I loathe the "everybody gets a trophy" attitude. Wouldn't want to actually let these poor, entitled creatures understand that not everyone always wins. WTF?? When I was growing up we had rules. We were seen and not heard. And when adults were talking, we shouldn't even be seen. Seriously, when I am around dh's family, I feel like I am in the twilight zone. I break out in hives because the kids totally run the show. The adults all sit around the room (usually on the floor because the kids are on the furniture) and the kids put on productions. They interrupt, talk over, sass, demand and all of these robotic adults do whatever they ask. Kids standing on couches, pulling on curtains, smacking chandeliers, punching and kicking adults and each other. AND they all pat themselves on the back and tell each other what good kids they all have. HOLY SHIT!! If these kids were with me for one week, their lives would be turned around. They hate me because SD isn't allowed to behave this way ANYWHERE. They think because it is Grandma's my rules don't apply. Bullshit! I am not cleaning up the aftermath for the next week because the rules went out the windows at Grandma's house. Mostly they don't bring their kids to my house, because in my house the rules are the same for all kids and they don't like it (why would I let someone else's kid walk on my couch in shoes, when I won't let SD do it?). All the babying, coddling, back patting makes me SICK!! People, including SD, actually expect me to pat SDs back for doing what she should be doing. SD will actually beg for praise. "SVS look I finally finished my dinner". YAY and just a shade under a decade. Congratulations. of "SVS aren't you proud of me, I zipped my coat all by myself". UM you're almost 6, if you figured it out when you were 4, I'd have celebrated, but since I have been trying to teach you for 2 years and you finally stopped being too lazy to do it for once, it really isn't so awe-inducing!

Sorry - this stuff really pisses me off! Prizes because you got over a tantrum. Horse Pucky!

"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy" and you can't change crazy!!

soverysad's picture

I don't play games with the little creature. If you can't zip your coat, you can't go outside. If we're going somewhere and I can't pull that I say "Zip it now or when we come home you will spend 10 minutes practicing zipping". She knows how to do things, she just WANTS someone to do it for her. She wants to be an infant because that is how Mommy treats her and mommy tells her it is because she is so special and such a little princess. Well, that's nice dear but isn't going to happen on my watch. I taught her how to tie her shoes. She didn't like doing. Complained to mommy and mommy bought her new velcro shoes to wear. She's such a puke. Creature complains "I can't open this" all the time too. Can't open toys, can't open boxes, can't open candy. If you can't open it you can't have it. End of discussion. UGH!!!

"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy" and you can't change crazy!!

bioandstep2009's picture

I had to break FH out of the habit of saying "Good job" when the kids did something as simple as getting ready in a timely manner to go out with us. I know he's thinking praising them is good, positive reinforcement but c'mon, if I TOLD you, "Get dressed now, we're leaving in 15 minutes" and you do it, great, but I'm not going to praise you for doing as you are told, which is what is supposed to happen anyway.

soverysad's picture

That is how I feel, but alas, her mother thinks she should praise her for taking a piss (which I though happened pretty naturally). She buys her Prizes. She gets prizes for behaving before school (okay that is like 2 hours). Prizes for getting herself under control after a temper tantrum (uh, shouldn't happen in the first place). Prizes for coming home from daddy's house (because she can control that at 5 years old). And she used to give her prizes for telling lies about dh and I (ie., tell the doctor or grandma, or mrs. X that daddy slapped you and mommy will take you to Chuck E. Cheese). Nice, huh?

"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy" and you can't change crazy!!

MarriedwithChild's picture

We tried the "time out" thing also but how can you do "time out" when the kid is destroying their room during the process?

Same here, both my dh and VERY much the bm are no fans of "discipline" enforcement/ basic rules...

" Soft talk only....." Mind you the days I am alone if ss5 tried to start anything with me, he became non-existent, ( completely.) I saw that I now am actually the only one he really respects. Odd. For noe he is....only time will tell.

folkmom's picture

my SD likes to be a "little girl" and soemtimes idiot BF will cut her meat etc...(are you kidding????) the other day she says " i cannot get that" (coke out of fridge) before I could stop myself I said "wow, did I miss it and your arms and legs fell off? no? then you just got the award for laziest kid of the decade!"

BF actually did not side with her and said "SD, go get the coke yourself."

soverysad's picture

I would have told her no soda and sent her away.

"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy" and you can't change crazy!!

bioandstep2009's picture

Yep, had to put a stop to FH doing all this stuff for SS10. At the time, he was 7 or 8, old enough to (1) get his own drink after his dad cooked dinner (2) cut his own meat or mash his baked potato since he felt like having it mashed (3)clear his plate (4) help himself to cereal for breakfast. On the last one especially, it would really annoy me to hear FH say, "What cereal do you want?" and then having to ask again because the little prince is engrossed in the TV all curled up under dog smelling blankets on our couch. My daughter was far more self sufficient and independent at 5 compared to how SS10 is. He's been taking lunch to school and FH (thanks to my strong suggestion),has him making his lunch. He tried the old, "But I'm not so good at making my sandwich". First of all, at 10 years old, all I hear is him being LAZY. So then I pipe up, "Well SS10, the more you practice, the better you will be at it!"

MarriedwithChild's picture

Yes...that would have gone very well in my Russian- American upbringing....( insert sarcasm)

I get you on the "passive" parenting. I see kids ( including my ss5) jump all over everything, throwing underware at the ceiling fans, letting even the dog sleep on my brand new loveseat? No gratitude for cooking, nothing...

" Look Daddy I wiped myself!" Hello? at 5 years old? I'd say a big congrats at 2 or 3, but never 5? Huh?

I've literally seen my dh get up and down 4 to 5 times JUST to please ss5 at dinner...Me? Not gonna happen. You can run around like a gimp but not me.

Be as passive as they desire and watch a all new type of Columbiner's come out of the woodwork over the next decade...

soverysad's picture

Seriously none of these kids will ever learn how to cope with disappointment or overcome obstacles.

Dh asks SD before he sits what she needs for dinner. Drink, ketchup, etc. Once he sits, she has to wait until he is finished eating if she wants / needs anything else.

DH is very good. Wingnut just lets the kid do whatever she wants. She asks her what she wants her to do for her. What can mommy do for you? Gives her prizes when she stops throwing fits.

One time (this is when I was in the hospital) Wingnut had to take Creature into her work with her because MIL was late to pick her. When MIL got there SD was laying on the floor (in the aisle at the supermarket) wailing that she didn't want to go with grandma. Wingnut picked her up and was petting her saying "its okay honey, maybe grandma will cuddle with you when you get home. mommy's sorry". WTF?? She is lucky it was MIL and not me because I would have said "when you can get your kid under control you can bring her to me" and left. Cuddle with her? Her ass would have been sent to her room as soon as we got home.

"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy" and you can't change crazy!!

MarriedwithChild's picture

We were CHARGED by the bm for having to call her stupid ass and come retrieve her son, that was beyond insane.....no lie. The bitch charged 35.00 a day? to come retrieve her OWN crazy passed kid from ME? WTF?

DH of course paid her in fear of being charged in court....I never would've given her a dime. SHE came and picked up ss5, on her own with zero mention of monies?

MarriedwithChild's picture

The velcro thing going too? Ditto. Can you imagine the kids going to school not even being able to tie their own shoes?!

Honest, at age 4, my bs was reading, chores, no trouble, etc...much less NOT tying his shoe or being able to go pee alone? Huh?

soverysad's picture

We had to prove we could tie our shoes before we could register for kindergarten.

"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy" and you can't change crazy!!

Wicked.Step.Monster's picture

Hey now... I have a tramp stamp, but I don't think that makes me look like a whore... Who would even know I have it as I sit here in a very professional office with my suit and heels on. Just sayin! Wink

onehappygirl's picture

I have four tattoos, but nobody would ever know unless I let them know.
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Love me or hate me, I'm still gonna shine!!!

Wicked.Step.Monster's picture

But what if a kid is a great kid? What is wrong with giving him $100 shoes and $50 tshirts, unlimited texting and internet on his blackberry when he pays half the bill? What if so wrong with spoiling your kid like this when they're a good kid??

Wicked.Step.Monster's picture

Answers...

Does he understand the cost of these things? Of course, he's 17
Does he demand them? He asks for them, doesn't demand
Would he throw a tantrum without them? No
Is he responsible for his things? Noone I'd trust more to keep up with something important
Are you respected? 95% of the time I am, the other 5% he's a normal moody teenage boy and he rolls his eyes at me.....

Here's the thing... off the top of my head I can think of at least 10 other kids just like him.... out of all of perfectson's friends that come to our house and we know their parents, and there are a LOT of kids that hang out with us.... their parents without a doubt would answer the same as me. So these kids are definitely not as rare as people think!

soverysad's picture

Wicked - Spoiled / overindulged is an attitude not an action. That attitude is usually evidenced by the responses to madness' questions. No tantrums, no demands, having responsibility and respect means you are merely buying your kid nice things because you love him and he appreciates it. You've done a good job raising perfectson and it sounds like he did a great job making friends with similar values. There is absolutely nothing wrong with rewarding children for being good people.

"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy" and you can't change crazy!!

Jbee27's picture

Belt, wooden spoon, spatula, ladel, omlete pan, hair brush, flip flop, paint stick, books, tv changer, magazines, newspapers, fly swatter...and basically anything else that was within reach when we were being bad.
That sounds like I had terribly abusive parents, but they weren't.

Wicked.Step.Monster's picture

Did we have the same mom? hahahahaah My mom was notorious for grabbing the first thing in reach to swat us with! Her favorite 'go-to' was to jerk her houseshoe off and hit us with that! LOL!! Yah, like THAT was going to hurt!

Jbee27's picture

The worst thing was when she'd swat us in the back of the head with her hand. That hurt more than anything!
And the paint sticks....oy vey.

soverysad's picture

We definitely had the same mom!!! She whacked up with anything she could find. I think I got smacked in the face everyday for 3 years straight for the "eyeroll" You'd think I'd learn, right?

"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy" and you can't change crazy!!

Jbee27's picture

Uhhh, I've been to jail. Only because of my own stupidity. DUI.
My parents were pissed. I was 24 and thought they were going to beat the shit out of me then.
But, other than that, I respect people that deserve respect and my elders. I'm not an asshole Smile

Wicked.Step.Monster's picture

My brother, sister, and I grew up the same. Very strict parents who just had their 42nd anniversary so no step situations. Regular, strict, nuclear family. My brother is a twice convicted felon for drugs and firearms possessions..... My sister was terribly into drugs before cleaning herself up 5 years ago. I've never been on drugs and I have never been to jail. So again, sometimes how you're raised has NOTHING to do with how you turn out.

Jbee27's picture

Nope. Cause out of the three of us....
I've been in the worst "criminal trouble", my middle sister has been in the worst "financial trouble" (think of her as the big banks needing bailed out by the government) and my youngest sister....nothing. She's just a bitch. LOL!

stepof 1nitemare's picture

dont forget the little woden paddle thing that had a rubber ball attached to a rubber band...when those broke mom used them as a paddle...man did they sting!!! If the Broom Fits, Ride It!!!!!

MarriedwithChild's picture

Well well...I just got back from the grocery store and did NOT buy one "special" treat or dinner for ss5, alone...I made up my mind that the kid can eat with all of us for now on. This is absurd buying/ fixing so many different dinners for ONE? family. If DH has a problemo with it, HE can buy it and HE can fix it.

I don't have the massive cash to buy "special" people "their" wants. Notice "wants", not "needs."

I think I am doing the right thing?

No, ss5 is not just "picky" he is spoiled. Honest.

folkmom's picture

one thing I have done is figured out which "adult foods" SD9 will eat (versus chicken fingers, pizza and chinese food). She wille at chicken, pork and steak. GRanted she puts ketchup on all of it, and that disgusts me, but whatever, it is not my meat (if i get steak BF and I get nice pieces and she gets a crap piece to smother in ketchup). And on her weekends, we do not have "kid meals" (other than a taco night, which we all love). So last night we have porkc chops (not breaded) broccoli, green beans and rice. She did not eat the rice, but she ate the veggies and pork. I know she likes broccoli and corn and beans. SO yes, when she is going to be there I structure the family meals around what she likes...but I make sure it is ONE meal. Over time, we have gotten her to expand to some of the sides we are eating (like green beans) or when she tried turkey (with ketchup)...or moving onto meatloaf from just burgers. Once she realized there would only ever be one meal in the house, and that I would take her likes/dislikes into consideration while planning it...well, she eats.