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My 20 year old SS wants to take my 14 year old BS to an event. Should I let him go??

momontherunfromthem's picture

My 20 year old stepson asked my 14 year old son to go to a major league baseball game with him. The catch is that my son has to skip school to go(12:30game). He also wants to take him to Hooters afterwards. Now my problem is we (myself, DH, & BS) are going on vacation 2 wks after this ballgame and I will have to take him (BS) out of school for a week + 2 days. I don't really have that much of a relationship with my SD21 & SS20 since I told their mother to but out of my marriage 2 years ago, of course they took their mother's side and hated me for it. My SS asked my BS directly so now my BS is mad at me because I really don't want him to miss school plus I'm sure I can trust SS motives. My BS is a B- student. Should I let him go or is my SS trying to corrupt my BS??

20 plus's picture

SD27 took HS13 out if the house after I said not too. Excuse was poor little BD didn't want to hone alone....for 15 minutes. SD is no longer allowed to be with BD for this and other reasons. SD has been trying to wedge between me and BD. My poor D had to listen to her "sister" badmouth me and was told some really adult situations. SD also told BD how to push my buttons and that BD didn't have to follow my rules. BD was shocked as we are very close. I am glad BD cold talk to me instead of listening to HS.

Unfreakingreal's picture

Yeah I take more issue with the 7 days out for vacation. I have never understood taking kids out of school for vacation when they are off for 2 months in the summer, a week for spring break and a week for Xmas.

Disneyfan's picture

Many families can't plan vacations around the school calander.

If vacation request are approved based on seniority, it can't takes years for an employee to have prime vactions time.

As kids gets older, you may to work around sports calanders as well.

If thend kid is already missing 7 days, 3 more hours shouldn't be a big deal.

Unfreakingreal's picture

Well, EXACTLY, if you CAN'T go on vacation around the schedules of work and school and sports than you shouldn't go at all. That's what I did for YEARS.

RedWingsFan's picture

Oh shit what does everyone have against Hooters? Seriously? It's a damn family restaurant with women dressed in tank tops and orange shorts. It's not an fffing strip club. You see less clothes on girls at the damn mall or beach! Yes, Hooters is close to my heart as I have a TON of great girl friends that work or have worked at Hooters. It's just a wing place. I've been taking my daughter there since she was 6.

As far as taking him out of school for a baseball game, I'd be ok with that if his grades were perfect, he didn't miss a lot of school and he had a great relationship with the person taking him. Since those factors don't present themselves, I'd have to pass. But definitely NOT because of Hooters.

RedWingsFan's picture

It's TILTED Kilt and again, nothing wrong with it or Twin Peaks either. I swear, uptight women jealous of seeing hot girls serve beer and food just kill me!

RedWingsFan's picture

They're no where near naked!

The food at Tilted Kilt is WAY better than Hooters, to be completely honest.

I didn't necessarily call YOU jealous - it was a blanket statement as that is what usually is the case of women not wanting to go to those establishments.

They may only make minimum wage on paper, but their tips far surpass that. One of my favorite Hooters girls drives a brand new Mustang convertible, takes yearly trips abroad, always wears name brand clothing, top of the line everything, and has fully supported herself since working for Hooters at age 18. All of the girls I know do really well there and it sure helps with their college expenses. They DON'T strip, and they have great morals and values. it's JUST a restaurant, people. Seriously. We see kids in there all the time.

The girls are just your normal, every day, hardworking kids trying to earn a living and making a very good one at that. They are just regular people!

RedWingsFan's picture

There is a stigma involved with places like that. The only thing I'm trying to convey is that it's not as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be. It's tank tops and shorts. Again, go to any mall or beach and you'll see women with less clothing than that.

As far as VS goes - yes, they are in the sex business. Go into any one of their stores and it's blatantly in your face. But they're a lingerie store. Isn't that what lingerie is all about? Looking sexy for your man in the bedroom?

I still don't have an issue taking my daughter to either place.

RedWingsFan's picture

They're the same from location to location. Not sure why your location has much more scantily clad girls than those here, but the uniforms are all supposed to be the same. Like these: http://www.tiltedkilt.com/

I agree about the sexism remark, but let's face it - who wants to see men dressed like the women can be? LOL

Yes, the age discrimination is also there. I'm 40 and in decent shape with 38DD's but I know for a fact I couldn't get a job at Hooters even though I would look good in their uniform. The girls there are all in their late teens and 20's.

I guess it's expected at these types of places to see hot younger girls so I just go with that. Smile

RedWingsFan's picture

Oh and that's the point of the name Wink

I love their shrimps too! Buffalo hot sauce dipped in ranch. YUM!

I agree with you on the school thing. It's just that you mentioned you wouldn't take your kid to Hooters...that's what got me riled up. I don't understand the hype put on these places.

RedWingsFan's picture

I agree with you on some levels. You can't blame Hooters for this kid smoking pot and having sex.

My daughter's been going to Hooters with me regularly since she was 6. She's 15 and has never smoked pot and is a virgin.

forgotten wife's picture

:-0

Unfreakingreal's picture

My SS20 & my BS15 are tight like glue. They do everything together. Basketball games, football games, the movies, they've even gone to the shore together. So in MY case I might make an exception.
However, it sounds as if you don't trust SS so for THAT reason alone I would say no. Always follow your gut.
Who cares if your son is mad, he'll get over it.

oldone's picture

I've never been to a Hooters. I don't like chicken - especially wings. I'd go if I had a reason too though.

But I have an ultra, ultra, ultra conservative friend who lives in the heart of the bible belt that loves Hooters. She always goes there for her birthday. So I guess it can't be that bad.

RedWingsFan's picture

All I asked my DH for last year for my 40th birthday was to take me to Hooters and get me a cake. He one upped the simple request by throwing me a huge surprise party with all of our friends and his family at Hooters! It was AWESOME!

oldone's picture

Anybody remember the Seinfeld episode where they get all upset that the cafe owner is only hiring girls with big boobs? Turns out they are his daughters working there.

Drac0's picture

Last time I saw an ad for Hooters, they were trying to sell themselves as a family restaurant.

I was in Milwaukee a few years back for a gaming convention. The city shuts down at like 7pm. The ONLY restaurant that was open past 7pm was Hooters.

So I ate there for 5 nights in a row.

The food was okay...It wasn't great but it wasn't bad. Just okay. And the place didn't strike me as "the den of evil".

Maybe it is the nuance of where I live but I know a couple of restaurants and even a pool hall where the waitresses are much more promiscuous and scantily clad then at Hooters. I don't like going these other places because the waitresses flirt with the men on purpose (no doubt to score high tips). So in my case, I would sooner let my SS go to a Hooters than to these other places I mentioned.

*Actually* I don't like bringing my SS to ANY restaurant whatsoever because he'll order a $50 dollar plate and eat two bites of it. Then when we get home he'll ask if he can have a snack.

But to answer your question, I guess I am leaning more towards letting him go. My friend took his son to a Hooters for his 14th birthday and they had a good time.

RedWingsFan's picture

Yeah, Hooters is remodeling and trying to make themselves more "women and kid" friendly. To me, they've always been women and kid friendly but I'm more open minded than most girls.

I'm not threatened or offended by women in tank tops and shorts. And I know exactly what you mean about those other places as well.

Drac0's picture

Trust me, I would love to take DW to the pool hall I mentioned because the place has an awesome decor and DW and I both love pool...But the women that work there? Aye caramba! The last time I was there I was served by a young brunette in a mini skirt who had a rose bush tatoo that went from her ankle all the way up to her crotch area. When she came to took my order she half sat on the pool table with that that leg up - almost inviting me to look to see how far up it goes.

I mean - seriously - what am I supposed to say?

"Uh...does you bush need trimming?"

RedWingsFan's picture

^^^LMFAO!!! That's funny! See, there are places I'd take my daughter and places I wouldn't. I just don't get all the hype surrounding Hooters.

I have at least 45 GOOD friends that have or are currently working at Hooters. They are all good women and not bad influences on my daughter at all. I just have a hard time with this subject I guess.

thebrokenrecordmachine's picture

First off, its nice to know that other women dont get intimidated by other women.
Some deciding factors I'd consider in letting my son go to a MLB game would be:
a)How many sick days has he had so far?
b)What are his marks like?
c)Is your SS somewhat responsible?
It's the end of the school year and half a day really isnt a big deal, even if you are going on vacation for 7 days. If it was university or college, thats a different story.
Off topic, I once took out my SO to a Ripper club, it was in Niagara Falls, I heard a lot about this place from guys at work and other people. That it was nothing like anything they've seen. Let's say it was like the movie Vegas Vacation with Chevy Chase, where cousin Eddie brings him to the Casino and the games are like pick a number between 1 & 10. Thats what this place was like. A lot of heavier girls in thongs(good for them) and I mean it they had less cellulite than I did.
I'm not into threesomes, I dont like sharing. But strip clubs or hooters, dont bother me too much, as long as their area is covered. If I wanted to see that, I would have been an OBGYN, that freaks me out. Breasts not so much.

Amber Miller's picture

I am using my iPhone and my fat finger accidentally hit the "flag as offensive" button. I hit the screen to go back and closed the page. I wanted to hit reply and tell you that your OBGYN comment made me laugh. I hope I didn't screw up your post. If I did, I am truly sorry and please forgive me for having fat big fingers. Hopefully I hit it in time so it didn't flag it.

hismineandours's picture

I would say no-for one of the above mentioned reasons. Which is I wouldnt want my underage minor child hanging out all day unsupervised with another "adult" who hated me. I dont typically allow my kiddos to hang out with people that hate me. Just not something I'm comfortable with. Sorry.

As far as the school issue-you are already taking him out 7 days-if this was with someone else (that liked me!)I truly dont see what one extra day would matter. My school sends out the warning letters if kids miss 10 days a year-they can send you to truancy court if they like. It's amazing how quick you can rack up 10 days, my dd15 was sick a couple of times and then hurt her shoulder and had mri appts, orthopedic appts, PT appts-so she reached the 10 day limit. They are not sending her to truancy because for most of the incidents they have dr's notes. My ds who is in 8th grade despises missing school. He is a 4.0 student and cares very much about his grades and does not like to fall behind. We did take all the kids out one day prior to T-giving-as we travel and wanted to leave on Wednesday morning.

As far as Hooters-who cares? I've ate at Hooters. So have all my kids. I really enjoy their fried pickles. Dh and ds like the Wings. My favorite story though was wehn my ds13 went to a christian concert with his youth group. There was a chaperone who had never chaperoned before. After the concert they went to Hooters. Our youth pastor called and apologized the next day. Frankly I thought it somewhat hilarious. Definitely a strange choice for a Church Youth Group-but it wasnt like it was the first time my ds had been there. I dont like the objectification of women either. But IMO if there stupid enough to use their bodies to make money-well, thats their choice.

momontherunfromthem's picture

Thank you all for your input. I do agree with you on the vacation that has gotten out of control. (It's planned with other families & has been difficult since day 1) Bottom line is I do have trust issues with my SK's and the whole thing just rubbed me the wrong way. (instincts) I told my impressionable BS to get his grades up and we will see...(stall tactics hehe) Plus I am more concerned about my son's grades, than my husband. When I told him about this, he instantly thought is was nice of his BS to ask. He also said it was the same as if any other kid would have asked my BS to go somewhere. I didn't agree.

Drac0's picture

Here's a thought. And in no way am I trying to influence your decision one way or another, but what if you were to let your BS go and then you and your husband pick him up afterwards? Whenever my SS wants to go somewhere that seems Dodgy to just "hang out", that's what we do (I or DW drop him off or pick him up just to see for ourselves what the place is like)

misSTEP's picture

I have no problem with Hooters. I guess I would base my decision on how close your BS and SS are and how responsible the SS has seemed up until now.

Amber Miller's picture

Follow your intuition. If your son is on the B- side (which isn't bad) perhaps he could meet with his instructors, find out what he's going to miss and arrange to meet with them if he needs help completing his work. I'm sure you'll help him too. In regards to the SS wanting to take him to a ball game if you say "no" then no means no and you don't have to explain your decision to anyone. Chances are if SS trash-talks to Bio-son about you, your son will want to protect you so I wouldn't worry about that. My kids get mad at me all the time for saying no. I tell them to grow up, go have their own kids and then they can be in charge. Until that time, I'm the mom and I know what's best for them. A week is a lot of time to miss classes. You know it's just up to you. Like I said, follow your intuition; you know what's best for your child