Looking for guidance, please!
Hi everyone. This is a lengthy message. Thanks for listening. I wrote once before about my situation. I'm 28, first marriage, no kids of my own, my husband's second marriage, one SD - 10yrs. I love my husband more than anything in the world, but I'm so scared of the future. I really want kids and he wants more too. But, I'm afraid to have children with him because his ex is such a stress in our lives and his daughter is like a "mini me" of her mother so often. They are both very untruthful people, and there are court orders against the BM. She only lives ten minutes away and there is joint custody - half/half time. So, my SD is back and forth and we have to deal with the BM about everything. She acts like she wants to kill my husband one minute, wants to be with him the next, I don't know what her deal is. I've tried to be decent to her and usually avoid her since that doesn't create any opportunity for her to harass us anymore. My husband is always supportive verbally and it took two years of her harassing us and calling multiple times a day, stopping by our house, causing problems, etc. just for him to take her to court over her completely psychotic behavior. She keeps becoming more limited, but now its being taken out on my SD, who is already a very good manipulator. I do love my SD and am very good to her. We spend a great deal of time together, but she works over her dad and is very irresponsible and untruthful. I'm trying to be nice in my descriptions so I don't just sound like I am blasting them negatively. I just don't see my SD's behavior permanently improving where I can live in peace and not have her screaming or sneaking, lying, manipulating or complaining all of the time. She brags to her friends about how much of a pushover her dad is. This hurts me to hear. She will butter right up to him, and he loves her so much. He tries to be a good father, but I feel that he needs to really crack down and help his daughter become a good person. She's practically 11, and she doesn't do any chores without complaining, and she doesn't have a single regular daily or weekly chore that has ever stuck. She has problems with friends, she has been untruthful to her teachers, other adults, etc. and my husband doesn't see the real situation, I feel. He thinks she's a nice girl who just does some bad things. But, kids don't live like that and make a lifestyle out of lying or manipulating or throwing fits. She has such a great home here and makes a huge mess. She is very spoiled...cell phone, video games, dvd player and tv in her room, mp3 player, tons of nice clothes, gets to go out and on trips, skiing, vacations, etc. But, she doesn't appreciate how much she has and her father will talk to her sometimes, but there is no consistent enforcement. He says he keeps trying to get better, but my SD seems to take three steps the other direction for every step he takes to fix her behavioral issues. I'm just so tired of crying, wishing for things to be better, wondering if it is realistic for her to get better. I've been considering leaving and trying to start over, but it breaks my heart to think about life without my husband. I love him so much. We also have a business together...that makes things very difficult to deal with too. We've tried talks, counseling, reading articles, etc. for the past four years. We go up and then down, in circles, but not a lot of consistency. My days are happy, sad, confusing, hurtful, and upsetting. I have told my husband how I feel so many times, but he tells me I'm oversensitive to many things and that we need to pick our battles. I feel that I let so much go, but that I should be able to stick up for myself and vent to him in a calm, rational manner that I am hurt that his daughter lies so much, manipulates so much, that he doesn't stick through with long term disciplines, and that I should be able to pick battles when my home is being disrupted, my stuff is getting used or treated poorly, when I have to worry about missing money in my purse or being respected. He says he will support me if I do something, but to me that's the problem. Shouldn't I be supporting him as a parent and have him be the main disciplinarian? I'm always the bad guy if I do say something because he did not notice or care. He says that most things are not a big deal to him. He doesn't see that I have to live with this behavior and person who I can't trust. I don't to throw out the worst or most upsetting examples of what I feel I go through, because I'm not looking to bash them, I'm looking for real help and solid understanding, not just to vent for the sake of venting. I need some advice. Please help and offer me any guidance or wisdom or experience that you have. Thank you again. I appreciate the support!
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I've been in a similar boat with you, except I have THREE step kids. I wanted kids with DH right away and wasn't going to have it any other way. I figured, as yes this is totally selfish, that if I'm going to take care of OTHER women's children then I want to know what it's like to be a "real" mother. There, of course, were many other reasons but that really was one. At 10 years old she should have responsibilities but you can't exactly force it. And you're right that DH should be the main disciplinarian, I get VERY frustrated with mine when I think something is punishable and he just ignores it. Maybe going through a set of "punishments" and sticking with them, like every "wrong" thing has a specific consequence, then your DH wouldn't have to feel like he's spontaneoulsy making punishments up, it would give him some sort of guideline for discipline. I've pushed this with my DH and then when he's not here to enforce it or he just "doesn't feel like" (a bunch of crap) I can at least say "okay kids, you know the consequence of that." That way I'm not exactly disciplining, I'm just enforcing the guidelines! Does that make sense?
I understand the manipulation and the DH not seeing his little girl as doing anythign wrong and "kids will be kids". Keep reiterating how you feel about what she's doing, sometimes husbands are just like kids and you have to say something a million times before they really get what you're saying. I do wonder sometimes if when our baby (due in 4 weeks) is born that we'll butt heads even more because then I feel like I have a real leg up with my arguements, but that's a chance I'm willing to take.
I can tell you that by the Grace of God alone have my DH and I made it through the last 4 years, we've had a lot thrown at us and have made it through, which makes me realize that WE are worth it. YOu have to put your marriage first and the kids second, if mom and dad aren't happy the kids won't be either.
I'm sorry I wish I had more help, I have total empathy for you, we are the same age and been married the same amoutn of time and have felt that since we don't have kids with the DH it would be easier to leave....I really hope things work out for you! *big hug**
Dawn
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so many of us were so young! I'm 27 myself, I've been married for 1 year (this Friday) and together with dh for 2 years in November.
Anyway, the position you are in is a tough one. My sd is 7 and I get up with her in the morning and I get her ready for school and feed her etc. DH is not home in the morning and was not there to see sd acting like a complete terror! She would scream bloody murder when I would brush her hair (she refuses to brush her own hair)... she would turn away any outfit that didn't involve wearing a skirt (even in the winter) and throw a HUGE fit when I refused to let her wear a skirt when it was cold out... SD wanted to dress like she does at BB's and I'm not about to let one of my little girls leave my house looking like a little hooker! Mini skirts and middrif tops are not appropriate for a little girl and unacceptable in my home.
With all of her screaming and tantrums, it got to be where I absolutely HATED getting up with her in the morning. DH thought that I was exagerating and ignored my complaints until I finally sat him down and had a heart to heart. I told him that I was dreading mornings with sd and that if something didn't change then he was going to have to stay home and see her off because I just couldn't do it anymore. DH didn't want to see that his little girl had a COMPLETELY other side to her when he wasen't home.
I started calling dh when she started in on a tantrum... I would hold the phone out so that he could hear his precious little girl screaming at me....
DH finally sat sd down and told her that she was to knock it off and that she needed to listen to me like she listens to him... he said, "you look at your sm like she is me, and if you don't shes going to tell me and then your going to be in big trouble". She tested the water a couple of times but once she saw that dh meant business she stopped.
I think it is really hard for dad's to see their little girls as anything other than precious little flowers... once my dh saw what she was doing for himself he was really surprized... but he did put an end to it.
My Dear, I'm exactly on the
My Dear,
I'm exactly on the same boat with you. What happened and what is happening to your life is dangerously identical with mine. I feel sorry for you, because I know how you really feel. My tears were saltier than ever during those days, yes I tasted & remember everything. I just did not know what to do back then. Still I do not know. I was married to my dh when my sd was 10. Yes, she was "mini me" of her mother. She is a talented liar and manipulator. At times she was a nice real 10 years old girl and we got along well. Everything you described about your sd is exactly the same is my sd. God, I was good to her & cared of her so much. My sd now do not remember and care any of those and I do not expect to receive back anything. We love her and wish always the best. She hates me no matter how I was nice to her. All I wanted is her to be a decent person with decent moral and ethical value and live a decent life. She has her own mother, so she listened & believed all of her mother's manipulative negative comments and so many lies. She believed that we were nasty people. Funny thing is, my dh's ex left him (cheated on him & run away), but now it is almost 10 years later, she is still talks bad about us and do all kind manipulative stupid things and even accused me of doing things I have not dare to think. And lot of people believe her, because she is extremely frugal, looks bad. So people feel sorry about her. My sd is now in college and she is an alcoholic little hooker. She followed her mother's life style. And she doesn't get along well with her mother anymore and I've heard she blamed her mother of cutting her ties with us particularly with her father. I tell you this kind of problem will never end. It is really should not be your problem. Your dh should step up and do things he needs to do. But he is not going to do that because he's still afraid of that his little kid feel rejection and criticism and never come back to him. It will happen, she will leave you guys early or later some day and did not want to come back. The decision is yours. Can you guys move away from his ex, at least to different city? Can you imagine if you can live without you dh? Can you survive financially, physically and mentally without him? If answer is "Yes", you probably need move on because "life is too short to live sad". But if your answer is "No", you need play wisely with cards life gives to you. Life is not fair and get to used to it. Do your best, be a good and bigger person. Things will happen and time will change,BUT REMEMBER ALWAYS BE VIGILANT! BECAUSE THE MALICIOUS EX CAN ACCUSE YOU FOR THINGS YOU HAVE NOT DONE. Best of luck.
Thanks
Thank you so much for relating to my situation honestly. I can live without my husband in every way except emotionally - because I love him so much. I truly do. However, I see a likely future of upset. He's so positive in his thoughts that thing will likely be better with time, but I certainly don't see it. It's happy and everything is great on the days that his daughter is with her mom, for the most part, it's really great. But when she's with us, everything changes. I don't know how I can stay. I don't know how I could leave. I only wish I could see the future to know and then make my decision based upon that! I love my husband, but I don't want to waste more years living with this situation if I am going to just end up worse off than I am now. It would then be wasted time I could have been living without all of this and possibly even moving on with someone else. It's so sad for me to picture being with anyone else, but when do you keep plugging on and when do you cut your losses?