Curious for opinions....
Do you agree with all the so called "experts" that the bio-parent should soley discipline and make rules for the skid?
I disagree. For example, shouldn't they be taught that the other parent in the home is to be respected? How are we as stepparents to get respect if we are treated as a non-entity? My SD thinks that only DH should make the rules and therefore, she doesn't have to listen to me when I ask her to do something..... Dh is rarely home and even when I was not working, I was the primary parent. So, based on the experts, if I needed to correct a problem, I should have contacted DH and MADE him do it? Why, if I am avaiable and willing?
What are your thoughts?
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I don't think
these people are "experts" or step parents. My DH and I parent our children together. Our own, and the step kids. We teach the kids that in our house we are thier parents. We may not be blood, but we are a family just the same and we love each and every person in our family as if we are blood and we won't disrespect anyone! When that line gets crossed, by my son, or his daughter, or our own (she's only 16 months so of course this hasn't happend) but when it does get crossed we will parent together. When I'm not home my son will listen to my DH. He's not his blood father, but here he's his dad. You know what I mean? My son knows his dad, loves him to death, only sees him about once a year, but regardless.....I'm not going to have him know that I'm the only one to make the rules.
You know why? When I'm not home and expect my DH to take care of my son he'll walk all over him. It wouldn't be that way if he were his blood father....why should it be that way just because my DH isn't his father?
And on the other hand, when my son goes to visit his father I fully expect him to listen, and respect his dad's girlfriend. If I were to find out he was being nasty to her he'd have hell to pay for it! Not because I like this one, or even know her...this is like the 15th girl he's met with his father. But regardless, my son needs to understand that when in someone else's house he will listen to thier rules, weather it's mine, his dads, his grandparents, his teachers, I don't care!
I don't know about the corporal punishment though. My son is 13 so he's past all that, unless it's absolutley necessary! But if something happened to me and DH, and my 16 month old was getting her hand slapped by his new girlfriend I'd be likley to kill her!! So I guess it depends on the age, the punishment in question and what not.
My SD is 14. If I tell her to get to her room and she refuses, I will pick her up and put her butt in her room! That's never happened, probably because she knows what the result would be. And if something like that went on between my son and his dads girlfriend I wouldn't be mad at her. I'd be mad at him for not listening to her in the first place.
Weather we are blood or not, we are the parent when the child is in our home. And we need to parent our children. All of them.
yeah, I mean
I hear all the time, and have even been guilty myself of telling a step parent to allow DH to discipline the skid. I have smacked my SD before, but only b/c she was warned and warned and warned to stop the foul language. When she didn't I knocked her in her mouth...she stopped. I realized today (while being incredibly BORED at work) that the reason SD has no respect for me is b/c she has never been made to. Sugarmama runs me into the ground every chance she gets, and even encourages her horrible behavior. I, on the other hand, yell at SD if I hear her being disrespectful to her BM. I don't like the woman, in fact, I can't stand her, BUT no child should be disrespectful to any adult. Our boys do not act like that. I think SD gets away with a lot more b/c sh plays the DH card a lot. I used to let it go b/c I felt as though I maybe should not be stepping in. I am done with all that.
No No and No
I think the "experts" have gotten us all in a world of hurt. "In the old days", all adults corrected children, regardless if they "belonged" to them. Shouldn't it still be that way?? (Yes, I know there are some looneys out there...I am not including them in this.)The benefit of our life experience and gentle (stern if there is some life threatening problem)guidance is what kids need. Half of the time, adults are running scared in public from out of control teenagers. If the teenagers knew they would be regularly confronted by self-respecting adults, do you think they would behave the way they do?? So, bringing it close to home, why on earth WOULDN"T you discipline?? That is just insanity. You are the adult in your home. You will be held responsible if things go wrong, so shouldn't you have the final say on how things will be? Just my 2 cents.
100% correct
Children need to learn to respect all adults and one parent alone can not enforce that. Adults need to expect more respect out of kids today regardless if your a parent, step-parent, teacher ect.....
The marriage is the core of the family blended or initial.
IMHO of course.
In our home my wife and parent our son (my SS). He knows that we speak with one voice (most of the time).
When I was growing up and being a snarky smug little PITA my mother would take care of the issue immediately. If I did not get my proverbial shit together in a hurry I would get the "wait until your father gets home". I fixed my issue long before Dad walked in the door or I entered the next level of hell as far as punishment is concerned. If you have every received RagsPop's lecture number 28-B (my brother and I harass my Dad endlessly about his infamous lectures these days) you have never received a lecture.
If my SS is getting completely obtuse and not getting the message from my efforts to correct or discipline I just tell him "wait until your mother gets home". That usually settles him down pretty quick. Of course I usually just throw him under the bus when his mom does get home anyway .......... just because I am an evil StepDad and enjoy watching my SS squirm. }:) JJOC.
So, my opinion is that parents in the home parent. Not one, all. A parents job is to be the confidante, advocate and disciplinarian not to be the maid/chef/buddy. Kids need to be held accountable for treating everyone in the home/family with basic respect and dignity. If they don't ...................... }:)
All IMHO of course.
Best regards,
I agree- that both parents correct/discipline, but...
It's more complicated than a non-blended family. I also think whether you have full or shared custody, or are NCP.
I became a better mom in many ways when I became a SM. I have never yelled (really raised my voice) or cursed at SD. My sons? Have heard me come out with expletives that could make a sailor blush. So after marrying DH when the boys really peeve me, I started trying to count to three for ME not just the kids. Now I think first "would I scream at SD for this?" The answer is always no. DH says in the Army they have a rule for using the radio-
Think. Push. Talk.
If you mess up the order, say push then think then talk, well hesitation kills your desired effect.
If you Talk, Push, Think, the other party misses your train of thought.
But worst of all is Push Talk Think. Especially with kids.
All that being said, DH is a- kids PUSH, DH SCREAMS, then everyone STEWS over it. Like a cartoon character, I keep expecting his face to turn bright red, and steam to come out of his ears. He didn't spend all those years in the Army without learning a fine level of projection.When we first met I told him I needed him to stop yelling at her like that. I said, "If you yelled like that at me I would cry and I am an adult." He said, "I would never yell like that at you." I responded, "Then think like I do when I am about to yell at the boys- I ask if I would yell at SD for the same thing." It worked for a while, but SD has become a master provoker.
I think that's not necessarily good for bio kids, but SKids in particular. My dad was loud too, but I still somehow knew he loved me deep down. I don't think that's true for SKs. They never really know if the SP loves them, you know? So you just can't yell.
I asked DH then, if he feels like the boys need "yelled at," please tell them "wait til your mother gets home" or if I am home come get me. I do that with SD too, part of disengaging. Interestingly enough, she listens better to me, especially if DH isn't home. She is a "triangulator" by nature, so in general she listens to either of us better when it's just one parent there.
We are a united front too. We agree on rules, and both work at letting go of somethings we think the other's kid(s) need to do our way. That's a tough one. But I feel it's crucial. So if SD's getting on my nerves for something, I tell him and let it go to his discretion to correct. If he feels she's been corrected excessively, and decides that particular thing can wait to be addressed til next time, then I have to release it. I still get upset when he asks what I think we should do, agrees with it, then doesn't follow through, but I still have to let it go. He is learning still. So am I.
He is working on doing the same for me with my sons. But in the moment, we always are united. If we disagree about it, we discuss it later away from the kids.
I've heard Dr Phil say that
I've heard Dr Phil say that if the stepparent comes into the picture later in the kids life, like after the age of 3 or 4 that the real parent should be the PRIMARY disciplinarian...I agree with that. Because the kids do not think of you as their parent and will just resent you. You can say something and it will sound much harsher coming from you than if their parent said the same thing, because you most likely don't have as close of a bond. I think a good way to gauge how involved you should be with the discipline is to ask yourself if you & your DH split, would you still keep a relationship with the child. If the answer is no, then you should step back in the parenting part. If the answer is yes, feel free to discipline as you would your own child, because that bond is there. That does NOT mean however that they should not be made to respect you. If your DH isn't around then yes you have to absolutely discipline, just as a babysitter or teacher would, you have that right when they are left in your care. But when your DH is there, he should be the primary...he should be the one to set the rules and follow through on punishment. Because if he is there & you are the one doing it, then those kids will see you as the bad guy & not like you, since their own parent isn't even enforcing the rules. I think thats where disengagement has to come in, if your DH just doesn't choose to parent and you can't convince him to, its HIS kids, HIS problem.
"Nobody will ever win the battle of the sexes. There's too much fraternizing with the enemy"
I do see where
that could be useful. I, likely, would NOT continue a relationship w/SD. But, only b/c she has become a shit. If you had asked me that maybe a yr ago, the answer would have been yes.
I think, though, that it greatly depends on who is primarily home the most w/the skid. My Dh works 60+ hrs a week, so it falls to me to do most of the "raising" of the kids (all of them) anyway.
Me too
DH works 55 hours a week, plus driving 15-20 hours more presently.
DH put her in sports non-stop after school, which is a great relief. SD went from daily soccer practices to even longer daily basketball practices. Often she stays after school. We try not to let her stay after every day because SD doesn't ever stop when she is excited about something and turns into an over stimulated, exhausted, irritable, entitled mess if she gets to do a lot of what she wants (even for one day.) Personally, I would love for her to stay after every day, but because of the aforementioned attitude issues, in addition to the fact that she could say she was staying after, then go do something else til practice with anyone with access to a car and we would never know it...we only let her choose 2 or three days a week to stay.
So yes, I do have to correct her more than I would like to. BUT... I don't yell at her or fight with her. Luckily so far if I say it enough of a serious tone, she will go to her room til he gets home if I tell her. OR I can use DH's old tactic with BM. If he wanted to watch a sports game in peace (BM would constantly pick at him to turn down the commercials, or try to turn to another show every commercial then not get back to the game when it was back on etc) DH would just start picking back at BM, until BM threw the remote at him and stormed off to her bedroom (yes you read that right, they didn't share for YEARS.) He said it was the only way he got to enjoy a game. So we have now discovered that SD does the same thing. If she continues to provoke us, and we can keep our wits (easier for me than DH) then we either pick back just the right way, or sometimes I laugh at how ridiculous she is (thinking she is so tough and smart and we are so stupid etc) and that will peeve her to the point she thinks SHE's choosing to stomp off to her room to "punish us." Then if DH is here, I look at him and smile and say, "I GET it now! You're a GENIUS to invent this way of getting them to stomp off and leave you alone!"
"Om Tare Tutare Ture Mama Ayurpunye Jnana Putin Kuru Svaha"
~Sita Tara Mantra
I completely agree
I think that the Bio parent should be the primary disciplinary. For me, when my H and I are together with the kids he takes the main role with SD9. However, I do take over the discipline when he is outside or not around (my BS2 tells her how it is too!)She does listen to me well, I have known her since she was 3 1/2 yrs. But after she leaves SD often lies about what she got in trouble for and what the punishment was. Since she is nice to my face (usually) and nasty behind my back I only discipline her when I have to. Meaning I don't bother to tell her to zip up her coat, put different shoes on or that she does not match. I only say something when I feel totally necessary--then tell my H as soon as he gets home what happened--with SD9 sitting right there. That way she knows if she has anything to say to do it then. But I have only be using this method for the last 3 weeks BUT it has been working so far. BM has not called to say what a horrible person I am for that long anyway!!
I have to say if the SD was in her teens when I meet her I won't discipline at all. Its to late to do it then, but the kid should know how to respect adults by then as well.
I agree with you
I'm the one here with ss the most. More that Dh and more than Bm. I have to enforce the rules. Sometimes, I'll try to get Dh's opinion before I lay down the law in certain situations, but most of the time Dh just wants me to make my own decisions.
I don't allow ss to be disrespectful to me(even though he tries a lot) and I will tell him so. I also tell Dh and then he will reinforce what I've already told ss.
Dawn
I think that is
the problem in our house. DH is too inconsistent w/all the kids, not just SD. SD just seems to take it more personally. I do try to get him to folow through, but then it always seems as though I am a nag.
Well..let me clear my voice...
It is the biological parents responsibility to relay to the child that him and stepmom are both an equal power. And that both will reinforce all rules set forth in the home-regardless of who or who is not at home at the time.
Two people, one power!!!! It won't work any other way. SCREW dr. phil !!
Stepwitch
Thank you Disney for portraying a positive image on all stepmothers!!!!
I really think it depends on
I really think it depends on a number of factors, such as whether the stepparent remains at home as the primary caregiver, whether the children live with their stepparent or just visit, and probably most important, the age of the child(ren) when the stepparent was introduced into their lives.
Teenage angst being what it is, it's often challenging enough for a biological parent to get thier teen to obey the rules, much less expect them to abide by their brand-new stepparent's. When my SDs came to live with us in their teens, they were already fairly responsible and self-sufficient. Their mother's rules had been a lot stricter than mine, so they were used to cleaning up after themselves, getting their homework done and coming home at a reasonable hour, so why rock the boat? If they needed permission to do something however, I always insisted they ask their father. That was just to be on the safe side though, and avoid them attempting to get me to agree to something in case my husband had already told them no.
When they were much younger though and stayed with us during the summer months, well, I was home alone with them as the primary caretaker, I made the rules.
Nope...
I think thats a bunch of cah cah myself!! My house and my rules!! Don't like it then don't come over..Period..This psychological mumbo jumbo really gets to me..I don't think that it's possible to create a functional family in which one child or a few children (the steps) have a different set of rules...
The mental healthy community and the family court system want to hold Step Parents responsibile for their step kids "best interests" and expect us to put these children before everything yet not have any say so in their behavior or correction? If your step kids gets in trouble with the law you can bet the criminal justice system will come down on the step parent and hold them responsible right alone with the bio parents! I'm not about to take responsibility, financially or otherwise over a kids that I have no say so over..
According to american society we are supposed to financially, physically, mentally, and emotionally pick up the bio parents slack and keep our mouth shut while we are doing it...
In a perfect world their would be retroactive abortion capabilities. ~ disgusted
"...I don't think that it's
"...I don't think that it's possible to create a functional family in which one child or a few children (the steps) have a different set of rules..."
I agree. I am beginning to doubt it IS possible to co-parent in two different houses. Because, even though it's hard in FC/NCP situations, it's even worse in shared parenting, where EVERYONE has a right to make decisions equally. The kids are in constant flux with no consistency. They will always have two different sets of rules/family culture.
I am about to post a doozie about my exH and SM buying my 14 yo BS his own cell phone. I was not even consulted. We have shared parenting. Shouldn't this be a big enough decision for us to at least discuss ahead of time so there are consistent rules in the houses about phone use? Like...I dunno, NO TEXTING at the table? No calling/texting anyone after midnight? Nope. Not a word. Just BS texting me from his dad's "I GOT A CELL PHONE!!!!" on Christmas morning, and countless arguments already over his use of it in the above examples, all the while BS telling me how impatient and controlling I am because we are trying to raise his brother and himself to be responsible, functional adults, rather than our buddies for life, like ExH and SM are.
I think the real ugly, never mentioned, truth of blending families is...we never blend, we cannot be consistent, and these two things make our kids raised in a completely unnatural set of circumstances. I cannot fathom that this next generation of kids is going to ever understand the value of family, tradition, etc, when they seem to always have that other house where the kids are in charge of what their parents can and cannot do with them.
So guess who BS is texting."Om Tare Tutare Ture Mama Ayurpunye Jnana Putin Kuru Svaha"
~Sita Tara Mantra
D - you are so right!! We
D - you are so right!! We are expected to go above and beyond for children we didn't give birth to and what do we get in the end? A nice big slap in the face!! We cannot make decisions or hold them accountable for anything but if something happens to them in our home you bet your ass we will be held responsible!!
Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist. - George Carlin
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like that should be covered with shit.