Feeling Stuck After Opening My Big Mouth
Today SS10 spent the day with us because bio mom had to work. I do the usual song and dance and we have a pretty nice day. At the end of the day when SS10 went back with his mom, I asked DH if he was coming back tomorrow. He said, "yes, probably"........and I every fiber of my being was trying to hold these two words back, but it was like I just threw it up. I responded with, "Oh. Joy."
DH was so taken back. He flipped out on me. I understand I shouldn't have said that; it's not the nicest way to tell someone you don't enjoy their son's presence. But my feelings have been boiling in the back of my head all day, and it just slipped. We got into a huge argument where I apologized for my comment, but he needed to know that I prefer if SS10 is only with us if DH can be there most of the time with him. He says it's not practical, as he works all week and doesn't want to designate his weekends to SS10 (he wants his own time to do other things as well, not just dote on SS10). I told him I'm tired of doing all the parenting, and picking up BM's slack.
He then says it disgusts him to think of when SS10 is with me and I don't even want him there. He tells me SS10 idolized and adores me. He calls me fake. He says I don't appreciate how good I have it with SS10. He says I don't love SS10. I tell him it's a different type of love. He says how can I love him if his very presence annoys me? I have no answer. I just know I have some sort of love for him, but sorry, his arrival does not excite me or fill me with joy. I end up backpedaling and staying quiet. I tell him he doesn't understand what I'm going through and I'm not sure I even know how to express it to him. He gives me solutions, which none I think are ideal-he gives up custody of SS10, he only has him every other weekend, or he divorces me. I have no answer. I feel beaten down and regret ever saying anything to him. I'm not the best at expressing my feelings, especially difficult ones. I feel so stuck.
I'm really sorry this is
I'm really sorry this is happening to you- your DH invalidating your feelings is not a good sign and provokes the response of staying silent. No one has the right to silence you, particularly when you are being used as some sort of convenience this way. I really understand how that feels.
You have a right to your own time, and not have to spend it doing something so clearly stressful. You have no answers because it isn't your problem- it is DH's and BM's issue to sort out.
You are not stuck- you can beat this but it may be a painful process for all of you.
Maybe counselling could help? I don't know, sometimes it works for some people but I think it is often a bit of a lottery.
What you really need to do is work on your self-esteem- because you are being ground down and that is not justified. This is not your mess.
I wish I could give you practical solutions, but that depends on your circumstances but after nine year of similar stuff I got out and have never looked back. Start making your exit plan as it seems to be something he's threatening you with.
Thank You
Thank you for your kindness and advice.
DH refuses counseling as I have brought this up before. I feel he is afraid of what we might dig up...
I've never had great self-esteem. This site has helped me find my voice and I'm growing the courage to put my foot down. This is just the beginning.
So SS parents get to not
So SS parents get to not waste their time not parenting their child but you have too.
I think you need to be busy and NOT be available to cover for you husband and his EX. Stop apologising, why is it ok for him not to parent his child but OK for you to babysit.
My Mother Tells Me the Same
My mom used to "joke" how lucky DH and BM are for having me to do all the parenting for them! Too bad I didn't listen to her warnings to not marry a man with a kid.
Last night at 7:30PM, I needed to get away and told my husband I was going to the grocery store (I was with the kids all day and needed some me time). He gave me such a hard time about it. More guilt tripping and reverse psychology ("fine. just go, whatever.")
Thanks for your response. Whipping up some plans and activities as we speak.
Don't let it get to you. Go
Don't let it get to you. Go into Doris Day mode, kiss him on the forehead, smiling sweetly and say "see you leter then" as if you never heard the negativity and skip, yes SKIP, out the door without turning back. Then make sure you extend your stay outdoors as long as humanly possible and go back into Doris Day mode as you go into your house again. This is designed to remove and guilt from your shoulders and has the added bonus of annoying the hell out of him
Your DH is laying on a thick
Your DH is laying on a thick guilt trip and it seems to be working. Think about his solutions. If he divorces you, then he would have to designate all his weekends around SS10. That is something that he has already said he doesnt want to do. There is no way he is going to give up custody of his son because of you. If thats the case, why didn't he do it before you came into the picture? The truth is that if you weren't there to pick up the slack, he'd either do it himself or have less visitation with his son. He knows this, but he wants it both ways. It is so much easier to guilt you into taking care of his responsibilities.
Don't be afraid to say no. Your DH is throwing a fit because he sees himself losing his free child care. If he doesn't want to take care of his kid, then he needs to work out a better arrangement with BM. The two of them made this kid and it is their responsibility to take care of him. They will just have to do what the rest of us parents do, which is figure it out.
I would stick to your guns and only provide the care that you feel comfortable with.
Some BackStory
So when we first met, I was working and he was working. My job had a very random schedule so I was never expected to do much with SS. When I was off and didn't have plans, once in a while I would pick him up from school or take him to his extracurriculars. The three of us would all spend time together during the weekends unless I was working. Once in a while DH would leave me with SS for a short amount of time at home while he ran errands (was this the beginning of him testing my babysitting boundaries?). Once we married, had DS, and I became a SAHM, that's when it all changed. I was suddenly transformed and EXPECTED to be this super entity: maid, butler, chauffeur, babysitter, mother, tutor, cook, coach, you friggin' name it. In my naivete, I believe this was how it was supposed to be...but then why this building resentment over the years? Now here I am. Note that SS is an amazing kid and very easy to love, which makes me feel even more guilt.
Many thanks to for your perspective and advice.
Mantrum Alert!
Your DH is being an a$$.
As other posters have pointed out, this is not your kid. You are not the parent.
He is going to lose some freedom (that you were kind enough to give him) and he will have to parent his son.
Maybe ask him why he is avoiding his own kid? Why isn’t he setting a schedule where he parents himself? Why is he rudely expecting you to just be available without the courtesy of asking in advance?
Don’t let his mantrum force you into anything. If you’ve not read Stepmonster, I highly recommend it.
Disengage. Let the man baby husband of yours step up and do HIS job as a parent.
Loving That Word: Mantrum!
He is a professional mantrum thrower! Thanks for putting a name to that behavior.
These are great questions as well, Aunt Agatha. Especially since he already barely sees his son as it is; wouldn't he want to be with him lots when he has the opportunity?
Funny enough, he was much better today. He actually called to ask me if he could pick up SS and bring him over to me for lunch because no one else in his life knows how to feed this poor child (and DH was running off to a dentist appointment shortly after). I say yes, of course. Now he's over here during BM's time and I'm back to babysitting. Luckily, the kids are doing their own thing so I can type away on ST.
Hopefully things get better
Hopefully things get better for you! While definitely not the ideal way to say it, I’m glad that that foundation was placed. Have him put himself in your shoes (específico SS is a terror (sorry not familiar with your backstory)). Just gently let him know that although you care for SS, he’s notyour responsibility and caring for him is NOT your obligation. If he can’t respect that it’s a tough deal, but he needs to understand that continuing on as it may cause resentment (if not already) with SS and your DH as well.
Luckily SS is Not a Terror
I'm very lucky that SS10 is very easy going, loving, and just overall a super kid. He does genuinely love me, which of course, brings on the guilt. DH knows this so he uses this against me.
Thank you very much for your well wishes and support!
What an effin' HYPOCRITE!
So it's OK for him, the child's parent, to not want to spend time with him but it's not OK for you? In what world is that fair?
If he can't be bothered with his son then he should give up custody. Let everyone know what a crummy parent he is. And, in the meantime, you should find yourself things to do at the weekend that will take you away form the house. Force your dh's hand to parent on his time.
Thank You for Your Support!
Thank you for this! I wish I thought of this to say to him last night. I was so stopped in my tracks by his accusations.
I know it's not going to be pretty no matter which way I go about it, but it's definitely time to force his hand.
Wow - sounds like
Wow - sounds like you scared the hell out of him. He might have to actually be with his kid when he doesn't want to unless he gets you back in line! Mine used to do the same thing. Each hint that I was less than happy was met, not with trying to figure out the problems an fix them, but with a litany of MY FAULTS and HIS NEEDS as he internally panicked. It worked quite well to keep me compliant for a while. But then I reached "eff it" status and things got ugly when I made plans to meet a friend coming through town on my own time and I was accused of being passive-aggressive, Excuse me??? His worst nightmare happened when it became "these are your kids - you deal with them!" It didn't need to get that way. Just a bit of working with me and understanding that he couldn't just turn the skids over to me like I was their mother would have avoided the problem. I hope your DH pulls up short and doesn;t take it that far. The resentment is long lasting on both sides.
Yes this. I remember at the
Yes this. I remember at the beginning of dating 6 years ago, my husband (then boyfriend) kept going to work without a babysitter planned. After many discussions about how I felt used and tired of playing nanny, I finally went out one day 30 minutes before he had to leave for work. He was so angry. But I had told him many times how I have my own life and he can't keep leaving SD then 2 years old at home while he went to work.
Then he eventually got a babysitter who would only work until 9pm than SD needed to be picked up. DH worked until 2am. After many conversations, again, about how this still doesn't solve the problem - he needs to adjust custody or figure out a new job with better work hours, he still didn't listen and I was always sacrificing my weekends picking up SD at 9pm and staying home.
Finally, one night after telling him I can't pick up SD tonight and him pretty much saying "well you need to, bye!" I went to the bar with my girlfriends and didn't think twice. Not my kid, not my babysitter, not my problem. He was calling me frantically leaving messages saying "where are you? the babysitter is going to drop SD off if you don't pick her up"
The babysitter literally dropped her off at his work and he had to go home *ROFL* I told him, enough is enough, figure your shit out because I am not your babysitter or taxi service.
I love this
I love this
Love That You Put Your Foot Down
Wish I had to the guts to do this. I've always been told that I'm too nice. I'm a total pushover.
Haha Thank You for the Laugh
Susanm, thanks for the chuckle. I hope I did scare the hell out of him! It sounds like I am walking the same path you once traveled. I'm getting pretty close to "eff it" status, but would love to resolve this issue with as much civility as possible. It seems DH is getting it, as he was much better today and actually asked me before bringing SS over from BM's (who is at work and there was nothing for him to eat). I'm already resentful, but it doesn't seem DH is quite there (or he's very good at hiding it). Thank you for your support.
Wait, so he wants you to
Wait, so he wants you to watch his kid during the week so that HE doesn’t have to designate all his time on the weekend to HIS kid?!?
You didn’t create this child. He has two parents who should be caring for him, not you (unless you’re ok with it, which you clearly aren’t). Why isn’t the kid in daycare, or spending time with his mother?
Find your backbone however you need to & tell him no. He needs to take responsibility for his son, it’s not your job. Expecting a non parent to love his son the way a parent does is ridiculous.
My DH knows I love my SS’s, but that I don’t love them the same way he does. How can I? They aren’t my blood. Not to mention if anything happened between DH & I they’d be whisked out of my life faster than I could blink.
I’m really sorry you’re going through this honey, I really hope you find a way to set this straight. This arrangement is going to lead to resentment if it hasn’t already.
Right
I tried and fumbled around with an explanation of why my love for SS10 is different from DS2. I believe he understands this to a certain extent, but he came back at me with the "But SS10 loves you. He sees you as his mother." I retorted with, "How do you know this? Does he confess his enormous and genuine love for me to you during your time together?" He dont' recall him answering this question (I already know the answer anyway). I find it hard to believe that a SK can truly love their stepparent the same way they love their bio parent unless they have been raised from them at a very young age and the one bio parent is no longer around.
To answer your question, the bio parents are CHEAP and do not want to pay for childcare for him when I could just drop everything I'm doing and look after him. I'm looking for a solution to this ASAP without making it more difficult than it already is. SS10 spends time with his mother when she's not working or going out to parties.We have him EOW.
Thanks for your advice! Very well said.
That is emotional abuse,
That is emotional abuse, threatening divorce if you don’t do what he wants. Don’t let him do that twice, let him know if divorce comes up as an option again, you are taking it. What an asshole.
He wants you to deal with his kid so he can spend his weekend doing other things. That’s really charming.
I’ll be over to punch him in the nose after I take care of NoSkid’s DH.
Thanks, DH Needs A Good Reality Check to the Face
I love DH but he really needed a good wollop that night! Thanks for volunteering.
So yes, he sees no reason why he needs to spend all weekend with SS10 when there are "other things that need to be done". Like what? CLEANING THE GARAGE was one of his answers!! Now that I think back, he really just told me he'd rather clean the garage than hang out with his son. Why didn't I have this clarity during our argument? He really knows how to shut me down =/
Thanks for the perspective!
I'm sorry this is happening
I'm sorry this is happening to you. It sounds tough, and I hope the harshness of the comments aren't too hurtful.
I do agree with the other posts though - HE doesn't want to spend HIS weekends on his own son? Selfish prick. I think if someone threatens divorce you should take him up on it.
Your Kindness is Everything
Thank you for your kind words!
He's definitely bluffing with the divorce. I also really don't want a divorce and I know he knows I don't. Do I need to bluff too then? I was always bad at poker.
Thank you again for your response. I truly appreciate it.
How dare you not be excited
How dare you not be excited to be a free babysitter for your SS??? Is your DH for real? Even if you did "love" your SS it doesn't mean that you want to spend all of your time with him. I need a break from my own bios! I love them more than words can ever express... and yet, the weekends they go to their dads- it is like "Ahhhhhh...." - and they are really good kids! But they are kids, all needy in wanting me to do stuff like cook dinner- why can't they just let me drink wine? LOL I am totally kidding here, but kids in general, even the really good ones take time, effort, attention. It isn't fair that your DH is demanding that you give all of yourself to his kid while he works or does things he enjoys doing.
Yes, He's Real Alright!
Haha, thanks for cheering up this solemn situation. I do agree even good kids need work, and I feel like I'm the only one working! Luckily, DH seemed to be picking up his end of the deal. Hoping it continues. Thanks for your enlightening response!
Oh joy, times ten....geeze.
Oh joy, times ten....geeze..what world does this man live in, other than his own? LOL
It would disgust me that he EXPECTS you to babysit HIS child, and is disgusted you want your OWN life....
The more he treats you like this, the less you will love his son and likely him, as well.
You cannot live your life for his son or him.....
Great Point
YES. I do feel that his attitude towards this situation is making my resentment for DH and SS10 WORSE.
Thank you for your response!
He says it's not practical,
He says it's not practical, as he works all week and doesn't want to designate his weekends to SS10 (he wants his own time to do other things as well, not just dote on SS10).
If my husband EVER said something like this - I would slap him - seriously. This is HIS son - so HE SHOULD BE THERE WHEN HE IS THERE - simple as that. You are not a babysitter - unless he pays you for it!! And you are willing to do it. Stop feeling guilty -- I know it's hard - I myself feel guilty a lot but I refuse to take care of SS when hubby is not home.
Trying to Get On Your Level
Slowly growing the courage to stand up to him and BM about this issue. I guess we have to get over the guilt and worry more about our own well-being! Thank you for your support!
There is so much wrong here
There is so much wrong here not even sure where to begin!
First - your SS has 2 parents. It is THEIR responsibility to parent him during THEIR custody time.
If THEY choose not to, why is that YOUR fault?!
Now here is where it gets tricky...men are idiots mentally when it comes to how women feel. They naturally shy away from emotion. So women need to be smarter. This is how you deal with your DH and this problem of built in babysitter...
Let this argument go. Apologize and suck it up if you want the relationship to work. The comment was wrong but your feelings are not.
Next, when SS arrives next greet hello, play family for a few mins then make plans. "oh DH girlfriend needs my help will be back in a couple hours". And go. If your DH gives you a hard time simply remind him that SS is there to spend time with his father and he should WANT to take advantage of that. Say it with a smile. Ruffle the kids hair and pat on the back and leave.
Every. Single. Time. Until your DH gets it!
You are the busiest woman lately! You don't understand why everyone needs you all at once. Isnt it nice DH that you have been getting some much needed one on one time with your darling son? Make it seem like it is great and what a wonderful father he is. All while proving your point!
Thank You for Breaking It Down
...because I have no idea where to start. I need a friggin' manual! I love the positive spin you throw in there. Very much my style
I always walked the fine line
I always walked the fine line of whether my errand-running / caretaking was in fact helping out my husband, or was it about helping out BM who always has tried to f*** with us in any lame we she can (thankfully my DH has always stood her ground against that crap). Now when SD comes over I cringe and I totally won't do a thing for ever because of her attitude. Don't beat yourself up - we have all been there.
It Sure Is a Fine Line
Sorry your SD has an attitude! I can only imagine how much more difficult it must be. Thank you for your response!
wait what? I think its great!
wait what? I think its great! To DH's ideas I would say.. "YES!! I agree with you! I see no other option than the 3 you mentioned. Think about it, let me know what you decide."
I think it is RIDICULOUS that he guilts you for not wanting to babysit for free.. and its not even your kid. You are not free babysitter. You are not even extended family that has a blood connection and auto love built in. It is WEIRD to express motherly love to another woman's child. Because its not normal!
I've known my skids for .. like 10 years. I never loved them. I like them. Really like one of them. But I prefer them not around. But if the good one is around, we have a pleasant enough time. But that took YEARS. I went through times when I loathed their arrival and celebrated their departure. And many SM's on this site say the same thing. That's because there is something not quite normal about step-parenting life. It is trying to force 2 strangers (child and SM), into the most intimate close relationship there is (child and Mom). Its not natural. And it shouldn't be. He has a mother and a father. Those are the relationships that matter.
He doesn't want weekends because it interfere's with his adult time... so he wants you to use up your time instead? LMFAO.. omg.. seriously OP.. think about this..
You are not wrong. He is wrong. Parents need to find child care for their kids. Normal. BM and DH need to divide their custody. Normal. Non custodial parent should plan his kid time when he... NEWS FLASH.. actually has time to be there. It is not rocket science. If he has time on the weekends, then that's when his visitation should be. If he wants an odd evening, then pick him up on the way home from work on Wednesday and drop him to school Thursday morning.
DO NOT LET HIM PUT THIS ON YOU
No way, never, uh uh, forget it.. you are not wrong. And he can be all negative and insulting about you, but you can't be negative about him or SS? Umm no.. either expressing negative feelings is ok for EVERYONE.. or you both work to speak respectfully and thoughtfully every time (which never happens). He should care more about why you feel that way. If he wants to fix things for the good... then he should problem solve your feelings, pull back on dumping skid on you, and give you some breathing room. Or.. he will turn you against SS himself by making it a complete negative experience because it comes with a fight with your spouse. Sabotage!
Totally agree with this: To
Totally agree with this: To DH's ideas I would say.. "YES!! I agree with you! I see no other option than the 3 you mentioned. Think about it, let me know what you decide."
Your DH is being a manbaby and came up with the three most dramatic solutions possible. If he won't work with you on a solution that you can both live with, then he needs to pick one of the three he proposed.
Truer Words Have Never Been Said
I cannot thank you enough for your response. I agree with everything you have said. Today he clearly gave me some respect and some breathing room...I can only hope he will continue this. Time to grow a nice sturdy backbone with all this fertalizer I've been handed, huh?
TF - I had many experiences
TF - I had many experiences like this with my DH where I too felt ‘beat down’ by him verbally. That’s exactly how I would have described it...he never yelled or used mean names or anything else...but he just acted so incredulous and disgusted...found my feelings so ridiculous and unbelievable...that I felt silenced and ashamed of how I was feeling.
BUT. I didn’t give up...and eventually he started to get it. Mostly on his own, but there were a couple things I said to him that seemed to get through...mostly by comparison:
1. “I can’t believe you don’t like my kid(s)!!! He/She/They love YOU so much!!!”
Yes. I heard this one from my DH, too...and it seems to be a common refrain among divorced dads. I believe it’s used to make stepmoms feel guilty for their very natural feelings and keep us doing and doing for kids who aren’t ours.
When my DH said this, I started saying: “Of course they do. They’d be entitled brats if they didn’t adore me. I cook them great meals, drive them places, clean up after them, plan fun things while they’re here...buy them things with my money. Why wouldn’t they love that? Anyone would.”
The point being, obviously, that the relationships are not equivalent. Your SS has zero responsibility for you...he ONLY benefits from you. He’d be a crappy kid if he didn’t enjoy and appreciate that on some level. You, on the other hand, have a whole host of extra responsibilities and limits on what you can do with your day every time SS shows up.
2. “You just hate my kid(s)!!!”
My DH said this common, guilt-inducing phrase as well. One day it occurred to me to compare the situation to my niece and nephews. I asked my DH if he thought I hated my niece and nephews (absurd because I’m clearly crazy about them). He just looked at me like I was nuts. Then I said: “But do you think I’d hate it if my sisters just assumed that I’d cook and care for THEIR kids for 1/3 of every year...that I’d spend my money on them, drive them places...on a regular schedule that I had no control over?
DH looked like a deer caught in the headlights. Then I said: “Interesting. So I clearly DON’T hate the kids...but I would understandably hate that situation...”
I let him draw his own conclusions.
3. “It disgusts me to think that when SS is here you don’t enjoy his presence!!!”
OK. So on this one all I can say is WOW. Your DH is a master manipulator and guilt-mongeror. The use of the word ‘disgust’ is completely over the top.
If he takes this tack again...I’d start asking questions to tease out his assumptions here. “DH. Do you assume that EVERY adult caregiver in SS’s life will enjoy him at all times? Is that your expectation? I mean, for example, do you require that all of his teachers light up every time he walks in the room? Are they never allowed to find him tiresome or look forward to the end of the day when he goes home? What about his babysitters? His coaches? Oh...you don’t expect these unrelated adults to love every moment with your child? Then why do you assume that I will?”
Then I’d turn it on him:
”While we’re on the subject of grown-ups who don’t like spending time with your son...let’s talk about you, DH. You’ve arranged visitation so that SS is here when you’re not here...which makes it seem to me like you love your free time more than you love your kid. I mean...it kind of seems to me like you’re trying to make me feel guilty for not ALWAYS wanting to be around your kid and sacrifice my free time for him...when you aren’t willing to sacrifice any of yours...and you’re the kid’s dad. Poor SS. One day he’s going to be old enough to realize that his own dad preferred to push him off on his stepmom instead of taking the time for him.”
Then I’d drop the mike and walk out. Maybe with a quick, over-the-shoulder “Sorry. I have plans tomorrow! Guess you’ll have to find another babysitter.”
Your DH and his expectations are way out of line. I know you feel beat down right now but you have to get back up and fight for yourself.
Great Responses and Thank You For Giving Me Hope
I'm sorry you've been in this situation and glad you didn't give up! Thank you for taking the time to write out this incredible response and script.
I can only imagine DH's response to the questions about whether his coaches and teacher's like SS is, "that's because you're his MOTHER and not just some random coach or teacher". I really likes to drive the mother point home with me. I would love to flip the script on him, though. Mike drop for sure.
It’s not appropriate for him
It’s not appropriate for him to insist you are SSs mother. Tell DH he has a mother. To stop saying that. You are his step mom only. The love and responsibility must come from the bio parents. He is doing parental alienation if he is trying to replace the bio mom. People lose custody for doing that because it’s just wrong. Children identify themselves by their parents, if he sends signals that BM is no good.. he’s sending signals that SS is no good. Courts order parents to help their kids foster loving relationships with the other parent. There’s a reason, children are connected to a bio like no other human on earth. Even if they are crappy parents. You can’t, nor should you ever try.. replace his Mom. Just tell DH that like it or not.. she IS his mother. He needs that relationship to be the best it can’t be. You trying to replace her with me is not ok for him, her, or me.
Get the book Stepmonster by Wednesday Martin. Learn about the pitfalls of SM life and get some talking points in your head. You need to truly believe you are right so you want retreat in discussion. It is proper for you to feel different for your own child. SS needs to feel needed by his parents, not you. Also, this is your special time with your child, it’s ok to want that time to yourself.
Thank You for the Book Rec
As far as I know, I don't think DH is trying to replace BM with me. He encourages SS to have a good relationship with BM. He does not bad mouth BM in front of him. Of course they have their disagreements but they do there best to hash it out in private. I feel he is more just trying to make me a second mother...probably to instill the desire to take over his share of the parenting so he gets all the free time, as this seem to be the common answer in this thead. SD has once cheerfully expressed that he feels he has "two mothers".
This is ridiculous. Your DH
This is ridiculous. Your DH is TOTALLY devaluing your opinions, and in all honesty, it almost comes off as abusive. If he doesn't get it, please explain to him the concept of babysitting. When my DH wasn't the most understanding about me not wanting SD while he was at work, I explained it to him. Babysitters get PAID. Babysitters need money. They do the job because they want the paycheque. Taking care of other people's kids is babysitting.
I told him how much it sucks getting off work, only to have another "job" that you don't even get paid for, because that's exactly what's happening when you're stuck with stepkids when you're not working. It's not fair. It's not ok. Parents need to step up and get babysitters if they need them, because as caring as stepparents can be, we're not looking for another job that doesn't even pay!
Maybe He and BM Can Start Paying Me
Or I'll just hire a sitter for them, ha! Thank you for your insight.
No, THEY hire the sitter.
No, THEY hire the sitter. THEY figure it out. If you went on a 6 month trip to the moon.. they’d figure it out. They don’t NEED you. Sorry but it’s true. It’s best for SS if his parents step up. He needs his parents to be the parents. They are 2 grown adults. They can figure it out.
The Waiting Game
If I depended on them to hire someone, it will never happen. SS10 will just fall into the cracks and I will be blamed and labeled the wicked stepmother. The good news is, I'm already interviewing a few candidates.
As everyone else said, this
As everyone else said, this is all kinds of messed up. But whether he likes it or not, the every other weekend solution IS the answer, because his schedule doesn't allow for other options without using you as the babysitter. Sorry DH, sometimes you find yourself dealing with a kid when you would rather not! Ironic, isn't it?
I Like EOWN Also
Yes, I personally think every other weekend visitation is best. I had brought that up to DH during our argument but he shot it down so fast, my head was spinning. Thank you for your response!
Maybe it's time you drew up a
Maybe it's time you drew up a spreadsheet that shows, week by week, the time that BM spends with her child, the time that your DH effectively spends with his son, the time you spend with the child on BM's time, the time you spend alone with the child on DH's time. I think he'll be surprised at the result. He won't like being shown how little time he spends with his son.
The Chart Would Be So Skewed It Wouldn't Even Be Funny
Predicted DH Retort: "You're at home all day."
I asked him to get childcare for SS afterschool so I am not chauffering him around and babysitting. He then asked me what I would be doing with my time since I'm not caring for SS. I wanted to rip my hair out.
I suggest you find a job
I suggest you find a job working weekends so he can be home when his son is there with the double bonus of taking care of your toddler too. Consider how much pleasure you'd get from coming home and saying "why isn't dinner ready/dishes washed/floor swept/other? It's not as if you had anything to do all day..."
Just Tried to Get a Job
And my husband was not for it at all. He says if I have to work, it has to be some type of home business that we could run or with me working from home. He isn't liking the idea of me working for someone else and sacrificing the only time we have together (the weekends). I was frustrated at his reaction and decided to just start looking for sitters for my own sanity.
I prefer if SS10 is only with
I prefer if SS10 is only with us if DH can be there most of the time with him. He says it's not practical,as he works all week and doesn't want to designate his weekends to SS10
Just, wow. Why should you want to spend time with his son when he doesn't even want to? YOU disgust HIM? That's rich.
No way in hell would I be babysitting HIS kid.
He says I don't appreciate how good I have it with SS10.
Haha! Let's talk about who doesn't appreciate what. What a class A jerk.
Right? "How good I have it
Right? "How good I have it with SS10". As opposed to what? NOT having to deal with someone else's kid? Is he insinuating that your world is so much better with his kid in it? What a crock.
I Know Right?
It's so true, I'm laughing from the irony of it all. Thank you for your response!
"So, wait, DH. You don't want
"So, wait, DH. You don't want to give up your own free time to YOUR OWN CHILD WHO YOU CHOSE TO CREATE AND HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR but you expect ME to give up MY free time for him? And then you want to accuse ME of not loving him enough?
Maybe you should look in a mirror. SS shouldn't be idolizing ME. He should be idolizing YOU. That is both your responsibility and your privilege as a parent. If your son is such a burden on YOUR free time, then maybe you should consider giving up custody for your own desires.
And do NOT threaten me with divorce unless you are truly willing to go through with it. Right now, I am considering your offer to leave. Then what are you going to do about your precious free time?"
Say it all calmly, even if tears are streaming. Then walk away. Drive off, go do something, and be silent for the rest of the day. When you come back, go back to doing whatever you were going to do with your evening. If your DH tries to start the argument again:
"DH, there is nothing else to talk about. I love your son, but I am not willing to give up my free time to spend it with him, especially when you don't want to give up yours for your own son. If you want to argue with someone about this, I suggest you find a mirror because my thoughts on this matter are not open to discussion."
Wash, rinse, repeat. If he decides to divorce you over this, then know that he only married you because of what you provided him, not as an equitable partner. Once you stand your ground and he knows you aren't budging, he'll either have to eat his words or act.
Standing Ovation!
Standing Ovation!
Yes.. exactly.
Yep this is perfect!
Yep this is perfect!
My SD lives with us full-time and I've raised her from 2 until now, at 7 years old.... I've raised her more than her own mother, but my DH STILL knows it's his responsibility, not mine. Prior to having our son 15 months ago, I never gave SD a second thought when I was making plans. I never checked with DH to make sure he could watch her. It was assumed he was going to watch her ALL the time unless he specifically ASKED me to watch her.
I went out with friends, went to the mall after work, spent weekends away, etc. all without ever needing to check in because if he needed me for something SD-related, it was discussed and requested well-ahead of time, along with being thanked for taking my time to do it.
Something is seriously wrong with people who drop their kids on other people just because they can.
Wow
Where did your DH get this amazing common sense and respect from? How can I get some of this stuff for DH?
All jokes aside, I'm happy to hear there are some men out there who know how the dynamic works. There is hope!
Thank you for your response!
Even If Tears Are Streaming
Thanks for adding that bit in there because I definitely won't be able to hold back the tears saying any of that to DH. What a sad reality it would be to learn DH only married me because of what I provide for him, even though in my gut, I feel that I've known this for a long time. I only hope he can prove me wrong.
I appreciate the script as I have no idea where to start and what to say to him next. Thank you for taking the time to write.
I've already commented, but I
I've already commented, but I have so many lingering questions about this situation.
How long have you een married to your DH? How was the custody arranged before you arrived on the scene? I can't imagine a judge would order visitation during the week when DH is known to be working...he must have had EOWE or some such arrangement, right? When did it switch over to being during the week when he's mostly at work? Were YOU consulted at all about this change...given the fact that you were going to be the one providing care?
I am so angry at your DH right now...
Thank You Again, I Need Someone to Be Angry For Me
Since I'm so sad and defeated instead.
To answer your questions:
1. I have been married to DH for 2 years.
2. Custody was the same when I met him, EOW. However I was working also so DH was still doing 99% of the parenting up until I gave birth to DS and became a SAHM. I was and am expected to provide care since I am home fulltime.
3. There is no CO because BM and DH did their agreement on their own. No court and judge stuff.
Ah.
Ah.
I started to have horrible feelings twoard my skids around the 2-year mark as well. I had gone in full steam...and I've always loved and been great with kids...so I was really, really surprised by the strength of my own negative feelings and resentment toward the situation.
And I was never really expected to provide care or 'babysit' as DH's kids were 10, 12, and 14 when we got married...not a lot of care needed, and DH and I both worked from home. However, I had no say over anything when the skids came over...DH turned into a drill sargeant and I felt completely left out. He'd also say yes to extra time without consulting me at all...or to the skids having friends over...lots of stuff like that.
Like your DH, he thought my objections were absurd. Until I started just saying no. Oh...you want to tell SS he can have 5 friends over all Saturday afternoon without asking me? I "shouldn't care" because it's "not like I have to do anything" extra or different? OK, fine. You cook. You clean up after them. You entertain them.
DH (in a full-blown panic): "What's for lunch??!!"
Me: "No idea. I'm not the one who said yes to 5 additional mouths today and you said I didn't have to do anything extra. A second grocery trip would qualify as 'extra' right?"
(DH leaves for grocery store in a huff.)
The point is...I think men are very, very prone to minimizing the work that THEY don't do. It's a big nothing. Well...if it's so easy and a big nothing, let him do it. Trust me. Your SS won't starve or die.
I get feeling guilty...and I get feeling like you backed yourself into a corner because you went into the situation all gung-ho and now find yourself needing to back off. But that's not your fault...you couldn't possibly know going into it how being taken advantage of and taken for granted would wear you down over the years...and you have a right to change the dynamic in your home to your liking. Your DH needs to learn how to compromise, too.
Having kids doesn't give you a giant trump card to do whatever you want. A marriage is a partnership...and it should be an arrangement that benefits both people, not just the one with the kid.
WOW Thank You!!
I needed to hear this! Yes, similar to your experience, I jumped in with both feet only to find myself with my head under water a few years later.
The hardest part is getting over the guilt...and fear of being labeled as the wicked stepmonster who just let her SK starve.
WOW Thank You!!
I needed to hear this! Yes, similar to your experience, I jumped in with both feet only to find myself with my head under water a few years later.
The hardest part is getting over the guilt...and fear of being labeled as the wicked stepmonster who just let her SK starve.
These kind of posts are
These kind of posts are always showing up here, and I gotta say, it makes me sad for the kids. I can't imagine ever leaving my son with someone who doesn't want him around. He's the light of my life and I would do anything to make sure he's in the hands of someone who is glad to have him (even if that means they're glad because they're getting a good paycheque).
I've already told my husband if we're ever divorced, his new girlfriend does NOT have to watch my son. No way in hell will I ever let him be in a situation where he's a hassle or burden to someone. He can drop him off with me, or we'll figure out some type of childcare where the person is adequately paid. Kids don't deserve to be passed around to unwilling participants! That's awful.
I am Sad for the SK Too
Of course! I would never want that for my own DS! Although I do my best and have been fighting this feelings for years, I no longer can push away these very natural feelings I have towards SS any longer. This site and the members in it have all validated my feelings and now I know I'm not some horrible and/or crazy person who doesn't love her lovely SK for no apparent reason. And I hope that now that DH knows how I feel, that maybe he'll bite the bullet and place SK somewhere he is wanted when he isn't with him. I highly doubt he's willing to do this, and will just continue to leave SK with me knowing I'm not even happy about it.
Thank you for your response. Your perspective is much appreciated.
It is sad for the kids, but
It is sad for the kids, but unfortunately it's his own father's fault that this situation is happening. He is doing his son AND his OP a disservice by trying to force his kid on someone, and also force her to want to be with him. Life doesn't work like that, and if someone tells him "I don't want your son here" as much, he needs to listen to that instead of thinking that guilt will change her mind. We can't help how we feel.
I feel bad that both you and SS are in this position, all because your DH is being an ass.
Oh I absolutely agree. OP can
Oh I absolutely agree. OP can't help how she feels. I felt the same way when DH and I were dating and he'd drop SD on me all the time. I felt awful for not enjoying that time with her and not wanting her around, but that wasn't MY guilt to feel. I made my feelings clear. DH shouldn't have left his child with someone who made their feelings clear they didn't want to be around said child. It's unfair to the stepparent and the child.
"He gives me solutions, which
"He gives me solutions, which none I think are ideal-he gives up"
While your post has so much involved in it one thing that stands out to me is this part.
Solutions are only effective if they are implemented. Flawed implementation out performs delayed perfection every time. A perfect solution can never be implemented because by the time perfection is defined the conditions have changed and the solution is no longer perfect. I have driven significant success in my career and my marriage by assessing situations with limited information, developing then implementing solutions and adjusting as the effort progresses based on changes and unfolding new information. Waiting rarely solves anything. In my experience at least.
Rather than focus on perfection I suggest that you take your DH's suggestions, tweak them to fit your experiences and implement. When he starts screaming about it.. tell him that these are the solutions that he suggested. Show him in your planner the date and time of the discussion when he made the suggestion.
As for the "Oh Joy!" comment. Just follow it up with "I am going to need a break. We just finished the holidays, it is the new year, and I need a couple of down days with just us before I can have the energy to entertain the kid."
Keep it short, direct and to the point. No need to focus on his interpretation of the comment. Just take it to its logical point. At some point when the tensions have subsided over your "OJ!" comment sit him down. Tell him to just listen for a minute and roll out that you love SS but that he is not your full time child, you need some focus time for you, for the relationship you have with DH and that there needs to be some adjustments to how you all function when SS is present so that it is not so draining to all of you. Then end your part of the the discussion with "If you are not here to be with him and don't want your time consumed by him what makes you think I want my time consumed with him? If you are not here, he needs to be with his mom." Then be ready to adapt scripted predicted questions and responses to whatever it is he responds with. Scripts are great tools. They rarely are perfect but they tune your brain to respond and can be quickly adapted to deviations from what you forecast his responses will be.
Map the plan, work the plan. Adjust as necessary.
Good luck.
Take care of you.
Thank You, This is So Helpful
I really appreciate you writing this plan out. I honestly had no idea where to start or how to re-enter this subject now that the drama has died down. This talk definitely needs to be had. I need to tune my brain to not freeze when he starts trying to intimidate me.
Thank you again.
Your feelings are normal
As a biomom, I need breaks from my kids sometimes. I limit my breaks to when biodad has visitation, EOW, and midweek overnight. The fact that neither DH or BM prioritize time with SS10 speaks volumes! They get tired of him or want alone time, why wouldn’t you?
Wait did I read that right???? ....
"He says it's not practical, as he works all week and doesn't want to designate his weekends to SS10 (he wants his own time to do other things as well, not just dote on SS10). "
So he wants you to give up your time for his son but he doesn't want to give his own time?
I am sorry that you are going through this and even sorrier that you feel that you said something that you shouldn't have. I have been there myself and I spend so much time beating myself up for what I said that I don't look at the big picture of why I said it to begin with. You didn't just say it to be mean you were feeling taken advantage of and it slipped out. You are human and you already took responsibility for it and said you were sorry. You went on to explain why you said it and it all sounded like valid reasoning.
BF and Bio-mom are expecting you to raise their child and give time that they aren't willing to AND be quiet about doing it. That is a tall order for anyone to fill. You are not wrong for feeling this way. Maybe after a little time has passed you could try a sit down with your BF and see if you could talk again and find a solution.
Exactly! Thanks for Putting My Frustrations into Words
And yes you read that right! SS10 is with me so much that he automatically comes to me for help with activities. For example, BM ordered him a chemistry kit over the holidays to keep him busy. Guess who he asked to assist him with the experiments? Yep, yours truly! He waited until he was back with us to do any of the experiments in the kit. Why isn't he asking his bio parents to do the kit with him? Probably because he's already learned that they won't make the time for him. That's my guess, at least. The best part is, BM rubbed it in DH's face that SHE was the one who bought the chemistry kit for him, proving she's an involved and caring parent! HA!
Honestly I am nervous about bringing the subject up again. I'm biding my time and collecting my thoughts and quips from this thread to prepare myself. Thank you for your response!
I definitely agree with still learning...
I definitely agree with still learning...
They don't appreciate what you are doing at all they have come to expect it as still learning said. As also stated this is taxing you and your life without you getting anything from it including appreciation.
The only winning part of this is the child really likes you and should you stay in this relationship with his dad you will have built a good relationship with him however, at what cost to you?
I get what you are saying about bringing it up... I have learned from experience that timing is everything!!! but even then your thoughts and comments may not go over well as you are saying things that others don't want to hear which can be diffiuclt.
But you are not the problem you are kind to care for this child as you have, but take care of you too!!
Thank You for the Kind Words and Assurance
Thanks that really touches my heart...
No Problem at all
No problem at all !! It is tuff being in the situation that you are in!!
I hope you can find a good resolution to it that also protects you !!
My DH has pulled lots of
My DH has pulled lots of these on me. Theres alot of really good suggestions here already but as far as the it makes him sick to think about him being with you when you dont like him...Dh used to claim I was such a bad person he didnt want me around his daughter when he was mad even if it had nothing to do with her. Eventually I said well what does that say about you then if I'm that awful and yet you still are with me, allow her to live with me AND have me watch her on a regular basis? He hasn't said it again since then. They're basically just angry and resentful that they have to do more since they left the kids mom and hope that being with someone new means they will be a replacement mom for their kid and that's just not how it works.
Nice!
Glad you were able to shut your DH up! And your last line is sooooo true. I am NOT a replacement parent and I'm putting my foot down. Thank you for your response!
I've skimmed over all of the
I've skimmed over all of the great advice but one thing that you might have missed is that your SS is 10. Out wit your man with his own son. Plant some seeds of things that SS can do with his dad and put him on to his father with these ideas and let SS whine for attention from his dad. Take the guilt DH is putting on you and put it back on him coming from the person most likely to benefit from attention from DH: his own son. "Go ask your dad"
You can't care more than the bio parent. If you need another line to throw at DH, then remind him that when he complains about you abandoning SS, you are only following the example he is put out there for you. You will care only as much as he does, not any more, not any less. This is holding the mirrior up to his behavior.
This will get worse before it gets better, and the book Boundaires from Cloud and Townsend will help you define your life from the rest of the family and to see where they need to crossover. Its cheap on amazon. (its a bit religious but the the bones are solid guide lines IMO) Anytime you change the rules, the rule follower will test the limits to see if you mean them. Mean them, firmly and CONSITENTLY. Just like a child.
"You Can't Care More Than the Bio Parent"
This!!! Apparently I have a lot of research and reading to do! I have found myself, many times, caring much more than either bio parent. I felt like I was scrambling around, picking up all the pieces of SS10's life while DH and BM just go about like nothing is wrong and everything is going to fix itself. I had to keep up with appointments, events, playdates, homework, projects, extracurriculars...it was unbelievable how many times I had to remind DH about something that was going on in SS's life and he'd still forget! The one thing DH is on top of with SS and probably because I don't let DH get away with it, is SS's health. I've already let go of my reigns a bit last year in regards to keeping up with SS's life. I support him and make sure he's doing well, but if DH and BM aren't going to worry about an issue--well, neither am I!
Thank you for your insight, and keep those lines coming!
I was a SAHM for 12 years
I was a SAHM for 12 years while my kids were younger. I loved being with them and cherish the time I was able to devote to raising them rather than having someone else do it. That being said, it created a huge imbalance of power. Even though I was not sleeping regularly for many years due to fussy babies, doing literally all the house and yard work, cooking, cleaning, even a few years of homeschooling, and dealing with all the home finaces and organizational matters I didn't "work" so I was perceived as the lesser partner. I could go on for hours about how other mothers and my husband would take advantage of me because I didn't "work" and was "just a stay at home mom." I had women EXPECTING me to watch their kids for free so they could work and make money. My ex insisted that I forgo my education so he could learn then earn more and make money. I went along with all of this because I thought I would have my turn after he was done. NOT! I was used up and left completely penniless with a herd of small children. Where were all those moms who had taken advantage when I needed help? No one was there and I was shamed because I had to apply for welfare and legal aid to get child support.
My point of all this is that you're sacrificing so much for what? What do you really gain in the end? You are being used, you don't even get to spend one on one time with DS and I can assure you that DH and BM don't appreciate what you're doing for them but rather expect it.
I'd advise someone in your situation to do whatever it takes to be completely unavailable to watch ss. Whether you're off somewhere volunteering with DS or have a part time job. You need to get busy in some way, set boundaries, and restore your power in this situation.
So dh doesn’t love kids enough
To spend time with them on weekends but wants to do hobbies and chill out time. But gives you grief as the stepmum who is not legally obligated or mandated in anyway to be babysitter so he can chill out.
Newsflash for darling hubby should be when he decided to have kids and get a woman pregnant, the time for chilling out without responsibilities like your single bachelor days have long ended!!