What do you think is WORSE
1. A BM who HATES DH and try’s to Challenge/disagree with everything DH wants just to be a b@tch. Threatens family court and follows through if she(BM) does not get her way. Refuses to switch Visitation around if DH have something going on even if BM can. Refuses extra visitation with DH unless it benefits BM. BM who is Bitter and vengeful.
OR
2. A BM who is still in love with DH and his family. Goes over to the in-laws to just visit and still refers to them as mom and dad. Calls DH over EVERY little thing step kid does. Wants to have joint birthday parties for step kid and gives Christmas gift to DH. Wants to hang out at kids sporting events and visit with DH.
Now Believe it or not I’ve had both situations. My first marriage was like #2 and now my second marriage is like #1. I would rather have #1. Yes it’s a pain BM not being Flexible with visitation schedule and being dragged to court over stupid stuff. BUT it’s a wonderful thing that BM NEVER wants to sit with DH at kid events, Hates his parents and ONLY contacts DH when she has to.
Sorry to say but I had both
Sorry to say but I had both #1 and#2 rolled up into one delightful package, with NPD BM. In the early days with DH, she obviously would have liked to wrest him out of my arms and back into her own, despite the fact that the end of their marriage had been mainly her idea. Recently she and my MIL (with whom we went no contact 2 yrs ago) became Facebook friends and keep brown nosing each others posts. And yet, down the years, NPD BM has also been unco-operative, high conflict, aggressive, demanding and unreasonable.
Same with BM here. She tried
Same with BM here. She tried early on, and still does periodically, to stay connected to DH's family, though they all put up boundaries, thankfully. And she would have most definitely taken DH back, and tried.
But she was also #1 in a big way. I think these two things are flip sides of the same coin. They both represent someone who can't let go of a connection to the ex. And if #2 is thwarted, #1 sets in.
Same! At first, it was #2.
Same! At first, it was #2. Desperate to be with DH. Tried to ruin our relationship. Would always say the word "co parent" to manipulate DH. "But I'm the mother of your child" and would diminish my role completely. She has BPD and even from time to time STILL tries to be "best friends" with DH. Asking for personal favors, unloading her personal issues on him, etc.
When she is in one of her other moods, it is COMPLETELY #1. Brainwashes SD. Completely guilty of parental alienation. Does anything possible to make DHs life miserable (threatens to go back to court, refuses to pay for counseling, refuses to do schoolwork with SD, bad mouths both of us etc.)
Have to say I would prefer #1
Have to say I would prefer #1 too, and pretty much for the same reasons you state; however, both BMs are manipulative and controlling either way. Another plus, if you can call it that, for BM #1 is that these type of BMs tend to fade off into the sunset once the kids are adults, but I guess you could say at that point, the adult kids take on BM's old role of loathing dad and his wife. I actually think many adult SKs are PAS'd to some degree by their BMs, either on pupose, accidentally or accidentally on purpose; yet, very few seem to pick up on this. I'm not sure why. I would imagine psychologically it is just easier to think that mom was right about dad being a butt-face rather than admitting that mom manipulated and controlled you too. It is almost like some adult SKs don't even think dad has a side, point-of-view, much less want to hear it.
I think in general SK are
I think in general SK are more likely to be drawn to their BM. I think SD especially since it's the same gender and similarities are usually uncanny.
Oh, I agree. See below. BMs
Oh, I agree. See below. BMs have way more power than bio-dad does.
As a side note to this, I
As a side note to this, I keep thinking of that series Little Fires Everywhere (Hulu) that I watched the first season of during Watchathon week. Talk about whack-job mothers! I don't know what message we were supposed to get from that book made into a series, but what I got out of it is that all BMs are more than a little nuts (and manipulative and controlling) when it comes to their own children. Also. . . that bio-dads don't really matter. But, I'd still give it a 4 out of 5.
Beaver is a combo of both
She would like to get DH back..(we will be married 10 years in July)..so she still "tries" this it's for the kids lets do x togther.
and then when that doesn't go as she would like..you know DH leave his wife..
she goes to #1
DH is the devil incarnate and she must destroy the skids to get back at DH. BPD all the way...unfortunately it has worked with SS. He is failing school, doing drugs, etc. But by all the is holy..he worships the Beaver above all else and remains intrenched in the Beaver Dam basement where I predict he will still be for many years to come.
I think there's a common
I think there's a common theme here. With both scenarios being two sides of the same unstable coin. BM was like option 2 (which really should be renamed to option 1 because it tends to come first). After some serious messed up behaviour that would be considered a relationship ender for most people BM tried to get DH back. Droned on and on about the sancity of marriage, importance of raising children in a stable household, sent him inappropriate messages on their anniversary, then flipped to hating his guts, then flipped back to trying to get him back.
Fast forward a few years and she's finally settled on bitter rage. Forget about what she said earlier about divorce messing up children and the importance of family. If she can't have him then he doesn't get to see SD and she'll rub it in at every opportunity. But at least that makes things somewhat easier because I can predict her now. And the fact that she doesn't ever communicate with DH unless to ask for money means nothing now that SD is an adult. I'd much prefer her constant hate over her still not letting go of her "love"
Bm has been both
At first she was 2, she wasn't in love with him but wanted to act like a family. To have him on speed dial to put ss to bed, babysit for her etc. Refused to acknowledge me even when pregnant and said I was not allowed to go to ss school play as they should do that together. He took me anyway.
When she couldn't get her own way, calling our family being priority over her demands 'pushing ss out' she bacame 1. And yes I prefer that, especially as dh could not longer ignore that she's a devious manipulative piece of work
#2 is definitely worse!!!!!!!
#2 is definitely worse!!!!!!!!!!
Neither is a good scenario
Neither is a good scenario and unfortunately most of the former spouses feel and act one way or the other, not in between. For mine it was number 2, her ex husband hanging around like a lost puppy behind my back and her encouraging it so she could gain from him financially. That is one of the many reasons we are no longer together. My experience is most of the exes are # 2 and when boundaries are set in place they become #1.
In my case, BM is definitely
In my case, BM is definitely a 1, but she tries to be a 2 with DH's family and convince them she is the victim. She still gives DH the stink eye at any joint events, but tries to pretend that she doesn't when she talks to MIL. She also always has to go up and give MIL or BIL a hug at all these events, at the same time she is giving DH the stink eye. DH's family is dumb as rocks, so they think it's all DH's fault (and also my fault).
I think I might prefer 2, but only because I've lived through (and am still living through) the misery that is #1.
# 2 sucks. If you try to set
# 2 sucks. If you try to set limits, you look like the b#tch in the situation. She looks like the inoccent victim. When she is close with his family it's even worse, especially if they pressure him to cave in to her "requests." And you are just the controlling, jealous girlfriend who is trying to ruin their friendly coparenting relationship, which was just fine before you came along. After all, having mommy and daddy and grandma and grandpa all together, and having daddy do what mommy says is good for the kids!
Nevermond that mommy is married to another guy and stepdad has no idea where she is half the time. Nevermind that daddy pays child support despite having the kids at his house every day and pays for everything for them while mommy uses the CS to pay for her Mercedes, $2000 purses (who knew such a thing even existed) and to buy rental properties. She has 10 houses now.....vomit!
God.
God.
Those both sound horrible.
I have #1 situation. Thinking it over, I think I'd much rather have #1 vs #2 lol.
But in a perfect world, I'd like a cordial BM who isn't bitter or hostile or selfish.
Both are equally intolerable
Both are equally intolerable and should be destroyed.
If I had to choose, I would
If I had to choose, I would begrudgingly choose #1, because I'm living with #2 right now. It flat out sucks! It's putting enough pressure on my brain that when combined with other issues in the relationship (changing parenting style differences, SD and SS behaviors and significantly lopsided work/life balances) has left me at the point of thinking about ending it.
Sorry that you are having to deal with this.