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About that blog on how to act towards the widower's daughter...Q about "forcing" one's way of grief on another

Anon2009's picture

Many people said nobody has the right to force their way of grieving or moving on on anyone else. However, isn't the father doing that by bringing his GF around his adult kids? Wouldn't he be doing that by telling them to grieve and move on after even a year?

My maternal grandma died 20 years ago. However, my mom will always miss her. Don't get me wrong, she's happy in life. But there are still times where she wants to pick up the phone and call her mom.

Reprise08's picture

No one should try to force another to grieve in a certain way or for a certain length of time. Each of us handles life in our own way and our own time. That said, your question is not one that can be answered simply. The respect for another's grief and grieving timetable has to go both ways. There is a huge difference between losing a spouse and losing a parent. Widowed men tend to move forward with their lives and remarry fairly quickly. It is different for children, particulary adult children, who have lost a parent. My DH and I have been married for 18 months and began our relationship via email 4 years ago; 9 months after his LW died. (We didn't actually meet face-to-face until his LW had been gone for more than a year.) He has moved forward and we have a very happy marriage. I'm sure he thinks of his late wife often and misses her; they were together and very happy for 30 years. We have bent over backwards to be sensitive to his daughters' feelings but the oldest one (30) continues to resent everything about our relationship. She is rude, disrespectful and downright mean to both of us. She has never been asked to do more than respect her dad's autonomy as an adult and to be civil to me. I understand that she lost her mother and it hurts every day, but I have done nothing to her. I have tried to be low-key, am always pleasant when our paths cross and have encouraged her dad to spend time with her when he can. In return, she blogs slanderous things about me and then excuses her behavior by saying that I have been mean to her because I figured out the pen name she uses and objected to being called heinous, awful, a harpy, etc. She feels that she is entitled to post anything she wants about me on a public blog because it is anonymous. The truth isn't important, nor is fairness. Because she lost her mother, all bets are off and she feels entitled to behave any way she wants, no matter who she hurts. She demands that her dad and I respect her feelings but makes no attempt to reciprocate. My DH is an incredible father and is so hurt by all of this. He has tried to find ways to maintain their relationship in the hope that eventually she would grow up, but finally told her a few weeks ago that he cannot have a relationship with her as long as she continues to hurt me and disrespect his right to live his life as an autonomous adult. She is so firmly entrenched in being a grieving victim that nothing else matters. The only way my DH could have made her happy would have been to actively grieve her mother and remain alone for the rest of his life. Does anyone, even a grieving child, have the right to demand that kind of sacrifice?

stepmisery's picture

Uhh, just going to point out that what your SD is doing, blogging anonymously on a public website, is exactly what everyone on StepTalk is doing.

Stop looking for it. She's entitled to her feelings and not have you stalking her all over the Internet. Most people on here have their true feelings that they need to share with someone precisely in order to not end up spewing them over the people in their real lives.

Stop hunting down her posts and reading them. Let her share her feelings with who she considers her peers. I guess you don't realize what a valuable thing that is to everyone who posts here and who go to lengths to make sure they cannot be found out by the very people they are posting about.

Really. Stop looking for her pen names.

If, in person, she is rude to you and rude to her father, he can certainly tell her to stay away until she can figure out how to be civil. What she might or might not say anon on a public blog is not grounds to tell her stay away.

Reprise08's picture

Uh, thanks for being so nonjudgmental, stepmisery. Point in fact, unless everyone on this site is lying about and slandering the people they are discussing they are not doing what my SD is doing. And her father did not sever his relationship with her because I was hurt by her blogs. I didn't post on this site expecting sympathy, but did expect a certain level of fairness and acceptance from the members. Yet amazingly with only those few sentences I wrote you felt qualified to judge me so completely and narrowly.

20YearsAsAStep-Mom's picture

Expressing feelings and asking for advice is why we are all here. As well, to offer advice. Slander is a very fine line and I try not to slander anyone while posting. If your SD is posting slanderous information about you and DH, and if people would know who you are by these postings that is a different matter altogether. I would leave her be and let DH handle her. If he feels they need some time apart I would say accept it and be happy about it. Lot's of our DH's try to shove their DD's down our throat and that is much worse.

Reprise08's picture

Thank you, bookishworm and 20Years. I have been reading this blog for some time and appreciate the insights I have gained here. I am very fortunate that DH is able to set and enforce clear boundaries with both his daughters. And, in all fairness to SD, in the beginning I probably overreacted to the blogging because her postings truly did rise to the level of slander and I was blindsided. I knew she wasn't thrilled that her dad had moved forward with his life but the level of animosity she expressed took my breath away. From the beginning, DH and I have worked very hard to be sensitive to the feelings of our children and gave SD a lot of latitude because we knew our relationship was tough for her. As for the blogging, while clearly not my best or most grownup move, I do not believe I actually invaded her privacy because she chose to post to blogs which are public and very widely read. That said, I do recognize that probably only a (large) handful of the people who read her blogs actually know or will ever meet me and that the high road would have been the better choice. In hindsight I wish I hadn't found the blogs and certainly will not go looking for them again.

sandye21's picture

"Many people said nobody has the right to force their way of grieving or moving on on anyone else. However, isn't the father doing that by bringing his GF around his adult kids?"

I agree that no one grieves in the same manner or for the same time frame. But I can not understand why you would link your grieving into the acceptance of your Dad's girlfriend. This between your Father and you. His girfriend has nothing to do with the death of your Mother but it appears she is being used as a scapegoat for the anger and heartbreak.

I guess if you were looking at it from your Father's point of view, he might say you were using your 'grief' as a manipulation tool to to control his life and break up his relationship with his girfriend. You are so intent on what your Father has to do for you that you have lost sight of mutual respect. It appears the best thing you can do right now is let him live his life as he wants to just as he should allow you to continue to grieve.

You said your Mom 'missed' her Mother for 20 years. 'Missing' someone is a bit different than the intense grieving you seem to be doing. Maybe you should see a therapist to help you through it.

Anon2009's picture

It's not me. It's just that another blog here got me to thinking about whether the skid in question's dad was forcing his way of grieving/handling the situation on said skid when her mom died just two months ago. I apologize for not clarifying that Smile

sandye21's picture

Anon, Here is what the poster 'Angie' wrote: "Hi Im an adult soon to be step daughter and am still in the process of grieving my mother's death. Dad has moved on rather quickly with another women who I have yet to meet. Things progressed very fast with them in 2 months." I asked her how long had it been since her Mom passed and recieved no reply. She didn't reply to anyone who responded to her original post.

I agree, no one should force their way of grieving on anyone. I should have read the original post more carefully.

lucy51's picture

I just have to chime in here. Having lost my dad and husband nearly two years ago, I can assure that many people lost patience with me in the first year when I was unable to "move on." I'm so much better now but I still think about my husband every day and miss our relationship tremendously. It is very hard to move from protected to unprotected. Anyway, I have let go of those who didn't understand that my grief was very present and still is. My feeling is that they have either not lost someone they loved or that my sadness reminds them that they will die, we all will.

But my main point is that people respond to death in very different ways. Both my families have been disrupted because new roles emerge and some people, like my SK, are unable to get past the anger, and anger is a very significant part of grief. We can try to understand that they need a target, but eventually we need to remove ourselves from it and live our lives. Still, I remember the case Anon refers too. It seemed to me that the father was being very insensitive. My friend told me that a friend of hers wanted to remarry shortly after his wife's death. His daughter begged him to wait one year both so that he was sure and that she would have time to get to know the SM. I really think that's a fair bargain and would hopefully lead to better relationships all around.

sandye21's picture

Yes, Now I remember the original poster. She had been grieving the loss of her Mother for a year. She could not accept that her Father had a new girlfriend, and he seemed a bit unsympathetic to her need to grieve. I agree with your friend's Daughter who asked her Father to wait one year until marrying so he would be marrying for the right reasons. Every one has a different way and time frame for grieving. I think the key is respect for others feelings - whether they are still grieving or are moving on. I agree, one the stages of grieving is anger, as is shock, denial, and acceptance. Your sadness does not remind me that will die one day. I have grieved a loss of a loved one. I know that you are sad and I feel so much empathy for you right now - especially with the way your Skids have treated you lately. This probably makes the loss more intense. I sincerely hope your sadness will one not last long, but respect that you will gain acceptance in your own time.

ownpersonalopinion1's picture

I thought my Dad would grieve himself to death after my mother passed away. He would not eat, sleep, go anywhere, just sit in a dark room unless I was there to encourage him to eat or talk. His whole life revolved around me as his only child at that point and that was hard.

Until an old girlfriend entered the picture and I'm so thankful she did. My Dad had the time of his life with new girlfriend. They dined out, danced, traveled and enjoyed his last years.

My Dad deserved those happy years with new girlfriend. I saw what grief can do to a person and how new love can help heal hurt.

sandye21's picture

Anon, Your reply to the poster of this 'node' seems to be very good advice:

"This is a complicated situation.

I can see why the SDs would feel the way they do. Hopefully, I would handle said feelings differently, but it's got to be tough to see your Dad dating again two months after Mom's death.

Your feelings are understandable. You didn't cause the death of the mother, and nobody deserves to be treated like dirt.

Bear in mind that there is no time limit for grief. Everyone grieves differently. Hopefully, your SDs will remember this too.

My suggestion is don't go overboard to try to win them over. That will make you come across as pushy. They need their space. But that doesn't mean you have to be a doormat. If you are being treated rudely, then by all means politely but forcefully stick up for yourself and leave the situation if necessary."

sandye21's picture

If you read the responses to 'Angie's' post, you will find there were many questions but no further reply from 'Angie'. Finally Stepaside wrote: "Do any of you feel like you just wasted your time responding to someone, who NEVER COMES BACK?"

Just how long is it appropriate for someone to grieve? It's an individual thing but no one should force their opinion of what they think is an appropriate time on anyone else. When my Father died, my Mother did not intensely grieve my Dad for over 6 months. Her life had changed drastically and there were other issues afterward that she was left to deal with. We never told her to get over it, nor did she decide for us the appropriate way and time to grieve. If she had met another man within two months after my Father's death I would have 'gently' suggested she take time to get to know her new boyfriend but it would ultimately be her choice and her right. I would not take my anger over the loss of my Father out on someone I didn't know.

Poodle's picture

Reckon next time an Angie posts for similar advice, we should all agree to say that the only suitable approach would be to tell the SM-to-be the address of this site as this would heal all her troubles. SM-to-be could then log on at a future time when Angie's little barbed comments had become somewhat too sharpened over time.