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Irene H.'s picture

So SS17 and I haven't talked in about a year and a half. He left to live with his mom, where there are no rules and she openly says she just gives him what he wants because she can't handle him, can't handle his anger when he doesn't get his way. When he does come here, everyone is uncomfortable. The other Skids act like they aren't allowed to talk to us in his presence. It's awkward. So it's better when he won't come here, a spell that was broken at Christmas.

We always have a special meal on New Years Day. This year we told the Skids they could each have a friend over to eat with us. Then they start asking for more, as kids will do.

SS16: Can I have two friends? Um, OK.

SD15: Can my friends stay the night? Two friends times two Skids = 4 sleepover guests...um, OK.

SS16: Can SS17 come? Ugh...well, he's never been told he can't come here.

SD15: Can SS17 bring a friend too? DH wisely said he'd talk directly to SS17 about that.

We don't even know if SS17 wants to come. I hope he doesn't. But his friends? No way. They're all delinquent thugs. I don't want them in my house. And with all this social distancing stuff, we're pushing it by letting the other Skids have multiple guests. Two Skids quickly became nine people, up to three of whom I don't want here, even under normal circumstances.

So now DH will have to be proactive and talk to SS17 about this. He doesn't respond well to questions, so things like "Are you coming?" and "Who are you thinking of bringing?" will undoubtedly be a fight. Maybe that's the answer. Ask a few simple questions, which any normal person would, and it'll piss him off so much he'll boycott this too. We don't even know if he would want to come. It's very possible his sibs just want to include their brother, and didn't talk to him before asking for stuff on his behalf.  But I want to know if he's coming and, if so, exactly who he might bring. And then navigate possibly saying no, without getting the other Skids caught up in the whole thing. We're just not going to have that conversation, with the other Skids as a go-between.

*sigh*
For a simple meal. It shouldn't have to be this hard.

On the upside, this whole thing prompted a good conversation with DH. I know it's been hard for him. He loves his son, even though the kid's an ass by every definition. So I try not to just bitch about the kid, so I don't say much. SS17 has been gone by choice, so we've been able to back burner a lot of this. But his coming here for Christmas opened a door that I'd enjoyed having shut. So I was pleasantly surprised that DH was having the same response I am, to the prospect of SS17 bringing his friends here. I told DH, back when SS17 got caught dealing, I believe he picked a fight with me on purpose, so he'd be able to distract everyone with how awful I am. Never mind that I'm a felon, mom, look over here instead...Dad, I hate your wife, and that's what we're all going to talk about now...I didn't realize DH saw right through that at the time.  I told DH that SS17 didn't want to live here because he can't run us like he runs his mom, and he agreed with that too. I told DH I didn't believe for a second that he dealt drugs but didn't use them, and DH agreed. I told DH it was possible SS17 was still dealing, and I suspected he's still using. He agreed. I told DH I think this whole made up conflict with me is really about avoiding the people (us) who would spot it if he is still dealing/using. He agreed. 
 

I think things were so volatile when it all went down, we didn't talk about it like we should have. I felt like I was being attacked (which I was). He felt like he was caught between us, and trying to keep his relationships with both of us together. When forced to choose (by SS17) he chose me, but it was hard. We're more on the same page than I realized. I thought he just didn't want to admit what his son is. 

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tog redux's picture

Doesn't sound like your DH can say no to his kids any more than BM can. I can't imagine allowing kids from SIX different households to spend the night in one of the highest COVID states.  Why does this have to happen? And why should SS17 be allowed to do anything in your home given how he's treated you?

Irene H.'s picture

He's quite a bit better at saying no than his ex is. Which is why SS17 lives with her.  Baby steps.

Livingoutloud's picture

Why are people having parties and allowing strangers to come to their home during pandemics? 

Irene H.'s picture

It wasn't intended to be a party, which is part of the point of the post. And it's not a done deal. Thought I made that clear too. But it does piss me off that anyone wants to tell me what to do in my own home. I'm not into big gatherings anyway, so I wouldn't have done a big deal, even if it weren't for the governor's edict. But have you noticed the same people inflicting these rules on the rest of us, aren't following those rules, themselves? So how serious are they? Makes it harder to take it all seriously. For real.

tog redux's picture

In some cases the people "inflicting these rules" are not following them, that's true.  But it's not true across the board, and it doesn't mean that the rest of us can't follow them, in our own best interests.

That's great, no one can tell you what to do in your own home. That's why over 300K people have died in the US, because everyone cares more about their "free-dum" than about their fellow citizens (or themselves, apparently).

Sorry, I don't get it. I don't why people don't take COVID seriously.  At any rate, if you don't want a party, then tell DH NO - we are not having 9 kids spending the night in my house (but having a friend for dinner is just as bad and still a party, in my mind).

 

Aunt Agatha's picture

When my BIL is working as a critical care nurse over 80 hours a week due to the amount of Covid patients,  hearing about these kinds of gatherings is just so frustrating.  It's just irresponsible and puts so many at unnecessary risk.

Also agree politicians who don't follow the rules are irresponsible too and should be voted out of office.

tog redux's picture

Yes. Not to mention we are told all the time what we can and can't do in our own home: Noise ordinances, fire codes, building permits, number of dogs we can have, number of people living there, can't have a business in a residential area, have to park on a certain side of the street, can't have dead cars in your front yard, can't have a horse in your backyard, can't build your fences too high, can't paint your house a crazy color, can't put a pond on your property, have to mow your grass a certain height - shall I go on?  But rules about allowing a deadly illness to spread through your home is apparently a step too far.

Irene H.'s picture

First of all, even before vaccines, COVID had over a 98% survival rate. Yes, some people (the vast majority of whom have preexisting comorbidities) die, just as some will die of flu and pneumonia and...

Consider that we lose about 56,000 Americans to flu each year, and we have a vaccine for that. Now that there are vaccines for COVID, I'm betting the numbers will be less than 56,000. It never was as deadly as flu, in the first place. We never lurched from shutdown to shutdown, crashed our economy, killed a bunch of businesses (lifelong dreams or multigenerational heritage for many), or trampled civil liberties, for the flu.

And as for all the regulations you mentioned, where do you live? It sounds like the most restrictive HOA, in the most restrictive subdivision, in the most restrictive city, in the most restrictive state, in the entire country. I don't have any of that where I live, which is part of why I live where I live. Telling me about what animals I have or cutting my grass or my fence? Nah. I wouldn't live there. Forget that noise!

Crspyew's picture

Stop spreading misinformation!  How dare you minimize the deaths of over 300k people.  Sure just 2% die.  That 2% is 100% if it is some one you love.  Not to mention the thousands of long haulers and the after affects of being on a ventilator for weeks and months, the strain on our health care systems and things like cancer patients having to postpone treatments because of this strain.  You are obviously not a student of history.  If our politicians had backbone and Freedumb lovers understood that their rights to live as they wish are not more important than my right to avoid this virus we wouldn't have had to have so many lockdowns. 

That you are even entertaining the idea of having so many people in your home is outrageous.  You and your DH are setting a terrible example of responsible civic behavior.

and regardless of where you live there are laws and ordinances to protect the social order. Your post highlights the impact of not teaching civics in public schools for the last 30 years.  

Irene H.'s picture

If you're scared, stay home. And stop calling people who don't agree with you, dumb. It's childish and unproductive.

And for the record, yes I have had someone close to me die from this, and a couple more struggle mightily. None of whom approve(d) of our reaction to this situation. And a few close calls of my own. So get off your high horse. I can go through some stuff AND maintain perspective. It's called life. Stuff happens. We need to stop panicking.

And nothing I said was false. I double checked my stats before I posted them. Just because you don't like what I said, doesn't mean it's factually incorrect. I'm spreading no misinformation here.

Aunt Agatha's picture

Based on your responses, uninformed and selfish seems pretty apt.  Unfortunately, your event is likely to spread Covid to others.  It's just a fact, not the misinformation you are spreading.  Get non-conspiracy, true scientific sources.  You are not getting your information from JAMA, that's for sure.

Individuals are dying because of direct actions of people with similar uninformed beliefs. 
 

Irene H.'s picture

I don't even know what JAMA is. But I do know the CDC and the WHO, both of whom have put out the numbers I quoted, so...don't know what to tell you.

And your belief that's freedom is selfish, will bite us later. 

fakemommy's picture

No one is panicking. If 100% of the US population gets COVID, and 2% die, over 6.5 million people die. That's not the flu, no matter what you want to tell yourself to justify your own selfishness. Every person in the world is dealing with the pandemic right now. Your "rights" aren't more important than 6.5 million people's lives. 

You've been tricked into having a teenage party for New Year's. Have fun with that.

Crspyew's picture

Since you relied on the CDC stats here are links to the CDC info on the difference between the flu & COVID & their recommendations for gatherings.https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm#:~:text=Influenza%20(Flu)%20and,infection%20with%20influenza%20viruses.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-fac...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/large-events/conside...

I did not call you dumb.  And I am very sorry that your "close" calls have not made you more empathetic or caring.  We do stay home but try as we might there are some activities basic to life that require we venture out.  Again why should my freedom be curtailed by your desire to not panic? Your attitude is exactly why we can't get this virus under control.  So few people are willing to make a minimal sacrifice to protect others.  
JAMA=Journal of American Medical Association.

tog redux's picture

Wow. Do you ever have wrong information. Try talking to a doctor or a nurse sometime and see what it's like in hospitals. COVID is now the leading cause of death. Never have 300k+ people died from flu except during the Spanish Flu epidemic. The death rate may not be high, but if no one has had it, that 1% means 3.6 million could die if no action was taken, not to mention those who died because they can't get the care they need for other issues because the hospitals are overrun with COVID patients. 
 

Enjoy your dinner party. Your thinking is that reason so many have died. God forbid you show some concern for fellow citizens in a time of national need. 

Winterglow's picture

The whole point is that nobody should have been inviting anyone else. Most countries have a 6 person limit, some even fewer. All agree that the main vector of infection is family get togethers. WHY? 

JRI's picture

My DH83 can see thru SD59, too.  In  occasional moments of clarity, we can discuss and agree.  But parental love is strong and its hard to admit your kid has gone to the dark side.