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Jlbfinch's picture

At what age do you think parents should be teaching their children how to read menus, understand prices, make choices, and interact with wait staff or counter employees? Basically I've been working with my kids on this (they are 8, 8, and 6). My two are learning a lot but SS8 is struggling so much I am starting to feel like he has social anxiety disorder. He will not speak to employees at all, when I gently prompt him he looks like he's in distress, fights back tears, and slowly shrugs his shoulders until I give up and speak for him. This is every single time, he's made no progress. My DH kind of acted like I'm crazy for spending the time on this, like why wouldn't I just order for them since it's a lot faster? But I think they're old enough to figure this stuff out.

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SM12's picture

My BS19 was the same way when he was around that age. He would just clam up and turn red if he was expected to order for himself. It wasn't until he was a few years older that he finally started to do things for himself. It took a lot of prompting and teaching from me to get him to do that.

My SS11 will do the same thing sometimes. Sometimes he is fine and will order for himself and sometimes he just stares at us when the waitress asks him for his order. He is 11 but looks much older, and is much younger maturity wise.
We also have a huge problem with SS11 ordering items that are way over the price range. He things he should be able to get the Most expensive steak on the menu. Ummm NO!
He actually had a melt down last year when he went out to eat with his uncle. SS ordered Surf and Turf.... :jawdrop: The waitress told her they were out of it (I imagine the uncle gave her a look that said No way") He had a melt down, he cries a lot when he doesn't get his way. One of his cousins told BM about his behavior and he was lectured. I don't take him anywhere expensive because of his unpredictable behavior in restaurants.

notsurehowtodeal's picture

My niece started ordering for herself in places like Chili's by the time she was 5. She always wanted the same thing: a hamburger, ketchup and extra pickles on the side. For some reason, waitstaff always found this confusing. They would look to my sister for clarification and she would confirm the order. Didn't matter what my sister said, usually the bun would arrive anyway...

My niece was a little shy, and my sister used ordering in restaurants as a way to help my niece learn to deal with her anxiety. It sometimes took a little longer for her to give her own order, but she learned skills and most waitstaff were understanding.

thisisnotmocking's picture

Lol in defense of the servers... 'no bun' isn't mentioned Wink

mro's picture

I would serve it on a bun too. Maybe we're missing something. Did she say "hamburger, no bun", or "no bread", or hamburger patty only"? 'Cause if I want a hamburger on a bun, I order a hamburger. Not a "hamburger on a bun".

notsurehowtodeal's picture

Believe it or not, I proof read it twice before I sent it. Yes, I should have said she asked for the other things and no bun. Thanks for being able to read between the lines to understand what I meant to say!

justkeepstepping's picture

This reminds me of a rant GBM went on at drop off one day. Several years ago she had taken skids to McDonalds. She ordered a plain cheeseburger for SS. When they got their food she was mad because SS's burger had cheese on it. She went to the counter and told them it was wrong and asked for another plain cheeseburger. They made her another plain hamburger with cheese on it. She told us she basically flipped out on them and then told them she ordered a plain cheeseburger with meat and bread only. She was still mad when she dropped the kids off. DH and I just laughed and laughed after she left. Those poor employees. They just kept making her exactly what she was asking for.

mro's picture

"But I just want a hamburger!" "No hamburger, cheeseburger!"

hereiam's picture

My niece use to get upset when she ordered a hamburger, with ketchup only, and it showed up with a meat patty. She really just wanted a bun with ketchup. But, she was 4.

notsurehowtodeal's picture

It would have been great if she and my niece could have dined together - they could have easily shared a meal and both been happy!

ESMOD's picture

I agree with easing into it a bit. I was a pretty shy kid and to be honest, making too big a deal can add stress to an already anxiety filled situation and make it harder.

I guess our parents warmed us up to this by having us thank the wait staff when we were served. Maybe an order at a fast food window or counter would be less daunting too?

Jlbfinch's picture

Apparently there's a whole lot if you look at social anxiety forums online. People that have to spend days building up their confidence just to walk into Subway and successfully make it through the workers putting them on the spot with all the choices. Sounds awful to me. But I am probably just overthinking it bc 8 is pretty young and he is shy and timid anyway.

ksmom14's picture

I think it's great that you're working on this at their ages.

I had terrible anxiety in situations like this when I was younger. Even if we went to a buffet restaurant, I'd have to go with other people, I refused to go by myself. Not sure how to help your SS, but it's a good skill to work on, and I hope he grows out of the anxiety like I did.

Maybe help him by "rehearsing" what he's going to say when the waiter comes like "SS, you should say I would like a cheeseburger with fries please" and if there is any other questions that you haven't prepared him for then answer those yourself if he clams up.

DaizyDuke's picture

My 7 year old does not like to speak to people he doesn't know.. other than a Please or Thank you and then it's usually said very quietly and timidly. I really don't care. I was shocked the other day when we are at the State Park pool and he actually walked over the lifeguard stand and asked the lifeguard if he could use his goggles. But I never pressure him to place his own order, ask questions etc. I'm with your DH.. I really don't see the big deal

thinkthrice's picture

Depends on the child's personality type. Gregarious children start usually when entering school.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

PrincASS had others ordering for him until he left for boot camp. I discussed with DH that his social anxiety would only get worse if he was never forced to order for himself. DH stopped ordering for him, but PA had PigPen and SD21 doing it instead.

That said, all children are different. I don't necessarily believe there is a magic age. Children walk, talk, potty train, etc., at different ages. Ordering in a restaurant at age 8 is borderline, IMHO.

What happens if you go out for ice cream?

Jlbfinch's picture

It's only in the past couple of months that I've had the kids be more involved. Before we would go into the ice cream shop and I'd have them wait at the table while I went to the counter and did everything myself. The ice cream place might have 20 choices but I would only give the kids three or four and they'd choose one. Now we all go through the line together and I have them tell the employee what they'd like (emphasize a clear voice and good manners) grab their own spoon and napkins, etc. It's not every time, I've just been trying to do it this way more often.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

That sounds like a good start, IMHO. Hopefully, SS8 will become more comfortable as time goes on. Like Countrymom suggested, maybe he could start out with ordering his drink or asking for refills.

Countrymom's picture

My BD13 still has issues with speaking to "strangers", but my BD8 has no issues with it and never has.

I will make BD13 order her drink or ask for a refill or if she wants something extra, but I'll usually make the main order for her. There have been times that she went without just because she didn't ask for it herself. But I've been trying to ease her into it. I'll send her into the store to buy 1 or 2 items by herself occasionally too.

She's just naturally more shy with people she doesn't know, so I'm trying to prepare her for when she's an adult. I know when she gets a job at 16 it will help immensely, as it did me.

Jlbfinch's picture

SS doesn't read menus, he sits/stands there tearful and sullen until you give up and either give him a few choices or correctly guess what he wants. He used to do the same thing in front of the fridge and pantry until I flat out refused to help him anymore.

Jlbfinch's picture

But aside from that he is well behaved in public. My two are the ones likely to start getting too hyper.

Monchichi's picture

Age 5 for Polly who I also took to 4 star restaurants. She has beautiful table manners. Baby D chooses by explanation but next year I will start the same way with her as I did with Polly. Chunky umm he is stb9 and won't read a menu, isn't polite and won't sit well in a restaurant. So maybe girls are easier to each table etiquette to?

CBCharlotte's picture

My skids are all forced to order for themselves. We will discuss what they want ahead of time (so they've said it out loud) and then when the server comes, they must look the server in the eye, order, and say please. They must also look the server in the eye and say thank you when food or drinks are brought. If they don't order for themselves, they can sit and watch everyone eat. SS called my bluff once 2 years ago and lost, and we haven't had an issue since. SSs are 7 and 6. SDs are 17 and 14, and the 14 year old still sometimes mumbles and won't make eye contact. We just call her out and tell her to stop baby talking and that stops it

Jlbfinch's picture

Last time I took SS8 to the dr he was completely mute and trying not to cry the entire time. I brought him there bc he kept having stomach aches and we walked out with the dr wanting to set up a mental health referral. DH blew it off and said "so he probably just has anxiety going to the dr, big deal." I told him I won't take him to the dr anymore bc I literally appeared to have just kidnapped a random kid off the street and drug them into the dr's office, that's how awkward it was.

Maxwell09's picture

My SS has been ordering for himself for years and he's only five turning six. Between us and BM's household he eats out at least once a week. We made it a habit from the beginning to give him a menu to look at, talk about what sounds good and now that he's in school we point out the prices too. I used to be a server so I expect the children to learn how to respect servers and the work they do. I also know what to expect so I can prompt them beforeforehand. When we get seated I get them to look at the menu, we talk about what we'd like to drink so when she asks SS already has his answer. Server leaves and comes back with drinks, during that time we discuss appetizers and have that ready for when she gets back. While she is gone putting that in we go over the menu. He tells us what he wants. We usually eliminate common foods like chicken strips, fries, mini cheeseburgers. If we're at a Mexican restaurant we want him to try new things so we talk him into trying a burrito, taco, or Chalupa instead. Same with Italian, Chinese, BBQ, Greek, etc restaurants. He knows to say thank you when his foods comes and when she takes his plate away or brings drink refills. When the meal is over and it's time to tip and sign the checks, we let him sign the customer copy. We talk to him about what a tip is, how much to tip and why we tip more than 20%. Even if he doesn't understand it all now, he had the memory reflex of how to act and what to do.

Jlbfinch's picture

That's awesome! That's the point I want to get to with my kids, especially the trying new foods part.