Adult-Boy Stepson
I am married for the second time. My first wife and I were DINKS - double income with no kids. Things did not work out and I soon met my second wife. She is almost the exact opposite of my first wife. She is very loving, warm and extremely nurturing. I was on the eve of retirement and so we decided to get married and sell both our properties and move into a new house together. She has three sons. The oldest was in college when we met and has never lived with us. After college, he almost instantly bought a house and he now has his own business and is quite successful. My youngest SS was in grade 7 when we met. We bonded almost immediately and I believe that I have had a positive influence on him as we share many similar interests. He is extremely popular and social and now is an Engineering student in his third year of university. I love him like a son. The issue is with the middle boy. He will be turning 25 this year and still lives at home! In short, he could be the poster boy for millennials. His reality has and always will be based on an App, computer game or with one of his many electronic devices. He is essentially a boy living in a man's body. He refuses to engage as an adult. He still dresses like the 8 and 10 year old boys across the street - baseball hats and t-shirts which express his nerdy lifestyle (i.e. X-Box games, Star Wars, etc). He pretends to do the right things - he went to college and then university for his dream career to be in the police. However instead of being a cop, he is now a security guard making minimum wage. He is the definition of lazy and hence being a security guard is a perfect job for him. His peers are almost like him - most still live at home and they are not motivated to do much else than play computer games or X-Box games. Everything is his life is about comfort. He has never liked going out of his comfort zone and unfortunately his BIOS are somewhat responsible since they have made life so easy for him. When reality happens, such as a car accident or his car break down - his only response or action is to call Mommy and say - what do I do? Of course, she goes running to him. I believe that he has no intention of every moving out since life is too comfortable for him the way it is! Other than work, he has virtually no responsibilities in our house. He gets home from work and automatically goes into his room and closes the door and connects to his cyber world. He spends a good part of his life in his room. When he emerges to prepare a meal or to go to the bathroom he is usually connected to a device and does not want to engage in conversation with anyone in the house. He does not participate in social settings like meals and recently refused to go to his younger bother's 21st birthday dinner. His lifestyle is sedentary and as a result he is overweight and out of shape. I am a fitness buff and this has no affect on him. He is a fussy eater and generally consumes only food that tastes good to him which are all high in fats, sugars and carbs. He eats large meals before going to bed. He is essentially nocturnal and sleeps most of the day. My wife says that jokingly that he is a geek or nerd and does see the problem with him. She and her ex-husband have contributed to the problem as they have made life so easy for him - I sometimes think that it might be the plight of divorced families. I really hate him and he makes me have very dark thoughts. I have even mentioned to my wife that I might have to leave if he does not. I feel guilty about hating him and having such a good relationship with the other two boys. I rarely talk to him as he is unsocial and painfully shy. He needs a life alterring experience in order to become a responsible and functioning adult. I was just about to seek couseling when I found this this site. Any suggestions?
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I have discussed it with my
I have discussed it with my wife and finally she agrees with my assessment but then whenever I made a suggestion it tends to fall on deaf ears. I have said that I would move out eventually if he does not - and her response is "you want me to choose you over him?" What she does not get is that she and her ex are doing more harm than good. They have always allowed him to stay in a comfort zone and fail to launch as an adult. He and two cousins were christened at their family cottage, we watched the video recently and when he was dunked - he cried and cried and everybody said that must have been you know who? He would not wear snow pants as a child. Then he would not wear anything but sweat pants until grade 9. Today he dresses like a 12 year old and really has the same mind set as well. Like most children coming home from school, they want to play and that is exactly what he wants to do. In high school, his parents put him the commercial program despite having a high IQ. I went to the parent/teacher interviews and was alarmed that this stream had no home work...all work was completed during class hours. His grade 12 math course dealt with balancing a cheque book. But it was easy and he was an honour student. College was the same thing, very little homework and he was on the Dean's List. University was a different story, he got his degree but just...He has a great interest in technology and I keep telling him to go into computers rather than police work but he says "coding" or "programming" is too hard. He does not understand the concept of no pain, no gain. I think in reality, he has the perfect setup. He makes minimum wage which is not enough for him to move out, but given his modest room and board of $200 a month, it leaves him with a big cash flow to buy junk food, go to IMAX movies, buy the latest XBOX or computer games, etc. All that money he has paid us is in fact in account for him to move out. In term of our finances, I pay for 75% of our housing costs and she pays for the groceries. It seems to work for us however I cannot control the type of groceries coming into our house such as all the pop and junk food!
A job as a security guard =
A job as a security guard = lazy?
My grandma always told me to never turn up my nose to any honest work. My dad was one of those "lazy" security guards. And I never met a more hard working man he did what he had to do to put food on the table. Sorry for going off topic though.
Your ss needs to pay rent. Right now he is in no hurry to move because everything is being provided for him. Imagine how wealthy you'll be if you did not have to pay for the electricity, internet, food, water, trash, etc. But had a minimum wage job to buy whatever else you want. You need to talk to your wife and try to make her understand that she isn't doing her son any favor by not pushing him.
Stop caring about how he's overweight and how he's not social. Think you got to the point where everything about this adult offends you. Since you reach that point, you and your wife need to come together and decide on a time frame for him to leave. I think a year should be enough time.
I wish you luck.
Sorry to slag security
Sorry to slag security guards, but given how lazy he is, then I can only come to the conclusion that his job is not that stressful compared to my other two stepsons. My oldest SS runs his own construction business and works extremely hard including weekends and evenings renovating one of his two homes to flip for a profit. My SS in engineering is completing a double degree with computer science as well. His class work is 35 hours per week and then there is probably another 30 hours of homework. In addition, he is in the Army Reserves and trains at least once or twice per week. The security guard SS does that and only that...if his employer says this week you are working 19 hours or 40, he is ok with that. When he went to college and university, he did most, if not all, of his homework during his security work shift. Last summer, he sat in his car (our car which we kinda sold to him) and guarded a construction site. Once an hour, he would walk the site and get back into his car. Finally one day I received online the results of a survey of the 10 Best Jobs for Slacker - guess which was number one? I am sure there are some security work that is very challenging, but I doubt that my SS would want those positions. He has four years of post secondary studies and earns $0.35 cents over our minimum wage. He has always led a soft and comfortable life. He wore sweat pants to school until he went to high school since they were more comfortable. He now dresses like the 8 and 10 year old across the street from us. In high school, his parents put him a commercial stream where all homework was completed during class so that he could go home and goof off all night - nice lesson that was! He of course graduated with honours because it was such an easy program. His grade 12 Math class involved balancing his cheque book. Both he and his older brother have learning disabilities, but in spite of that their IQs are quite elevated and his brother had excelled no matter what. This kid uses every excuse for failing to launch and his mother routinely will say "he was so upset that he almost cried"... Most people suggest tough love and not this softness that his bios have been givinig him. They are killing him with kindness.
You need to get your wife to
You need to get your wife to marriage counselling. Make the counsellor explain to her how damaging this is to both her marriage and her son. And the counsellor can help work her through the "launch" of her precious baby. Why should you be the bad guy? Just a thought....
I have opted for counselling.
I have opted for counselling. My wife does not think that either she or her son has a problem. He is just different - a geek similar to the folks on the TV show Big Bang which my SS idolizes. Difference is that those dudes have PhDs and careers which match their education. Moreover they don't live with their parents nor do they live in some kind of cyber space.
Boo Radley! That is a good
Boo Radley! That is a good analogy, he somewhat is like that. Others have noted that as well, if he is locked up in his room, then just ignore him. Being nocturnal is difficult since he makes all sorts of noise during the evening since he plays some of the most violent and noisy computer/XBox games on the market today. He eats generally around 4 am which again causes lots of noise and odours in the house. Given his diet consists of fried food or toast - it generally wakes me up. I am the first one in the kitchen in the morning to see the disaster zone. I refuse to pick up after him. He cannot even close a cupboard door. In fact, one can trace his path through either his meal or the kitchen by the debris field that he has left behind. That bothers me! When he comes home, he kicks off his shoes and flings them into the closet. His clothing is dropped on the floor and his room makes disaster zones look like a paradise. He eats in his room and leaves a stack of dirty dishes and uneaten food lying around, but as soon as a bug appears, he will be the first to complain! He has no respect for my home and my belongings which I worked all my life to obtain. We have given him our a car which he is running into the ground. I fear that every time I leave my home that he will literally burn it down or destroy it. In short, he is difficult to ignore!
By all that is holy put an
By all that is holy put an END TO THIS.
What a nightmare. I feel for
What a nightmare. I feel for you.
When I realized my teen sd was never going to get the parenting she needed, I started letting my dh know that 18+ year olds would not be living in my house. I prepared the way cuz I could see the future even though he could not.
Well, the future has arrived. She's in her last semester of high school and she's one of life's giant failures already. I am thanking myself for announcing 2 years ago that no grown kids would be lolling on my couch. I predict she'll be lolling on her mother's indefinitely but that's not my concern.
The point is that you are not alone. It is completely normal for grownups to expect to have their homes to themselves after kids grow up and they also have a right to expect their kids pursue a positive path in life.
Personally, I would not give them (your wife is a huge part of this) a year. I would give them 3 months. I'd hand my wife a launch plan and tell her either she can give it to the boy or you will or she can come up with one herself and proceed.
Then have him out. If the preferred plan (by them) is to move him to dad's, have him out this weekend.
You don't have to live like this and I personally would not and my husband knows it. BTW, my husband actually agreed because it was the norm in his family of origin for kids to leave at 18.
Nightmare is right! Had I
Nightmare is right! Had I known this situation before, I would not have married or gotten involved with my wife. I love her but hate the kid! I have said that on his 25th birthday that it will be him or me! I do not want to live with him forever and I see no signs of him ever moving out or launching into adulthood.
You've already said that to
You've already said that to her? How did she react? More importantly, what is she doing to make sure he goes? You should be hearing about apartments he's scouted, roommate ads he's responded to, etc by now.
His typical response is that
His typical response is that I don't make enough money to move out! His girlfriend works part-time at MacDonald's and lives with her parents too. None of his friends are interested in moving out and those that have would never have this slob as a roommate.
After living with no rent or
After living with no rent or grocery bill etc for so long he has plenty of money. Do all security guards live with their mom? No.
Finally, his pay rate is not your problem. If he wants more money get a second job or a new job.
You blame his parents for his
You blame his parents for his laziness, but the other 2 boys are not that way. All 3 were raised in the same house and same environment. That leads me to believe it is just how the middle son is, content to go along with the flow and with how he is living his life.
You have a lot of good advice above. Talk to your wife and ask her to help you come up with a plan for him to get his own place, and help him work towards those goals. Even though, you do not like him, that can't be the reason. You need to explain to your wife that she needs to teach him to be independent, in case something would happen to her.
If he is socially awkward, taking that first step to live on his own may be traumatic for him and having you two help him may make that transition easier.
I understand you, I have an SS that I could never live with again. Good luck.
"in case something would
"in case something would happen to her."
That's a great point. Remind your wife something WILL happen to her. In the normal course of events her boy will live for decades into the future after you both are gone (and his bio dad, too). How is she preparing him for that future?
Does she plan for him to learn to adult in one fell swoop the day his second parent passes?
It's very good to remind her that launching is in his own best interests but also do not demur about your own rights as a homeowner and spouse. You have rights and don't feel guilty about them.
Comfort zone is the issue.
Comfort zone is the issue. He lives in cocoon of comfort and his parents need to give the jolt that life is not a bed of roses. He is on a path to poverty and distress. He currently lives in the lap of luxury but this is not reality, but his reality is what is going to happen in the next 5 minutes. There is no thought about the near or distant future in almost all matters as far as he is concerned. Unfortunately my wife sees a little of herself in him but she despite being shy herself, she had a great career and is socially well adjusted. It is almost as if he was the repository of all the bad elements of his biological parents. His father is lazy - he is lazy. His mother described herself as a social wallflower - and so is he! His father is a self centred - so is the son. His father is a cheat and lier - and so is the son. The father is messy - so is the son. My wife does not like to venture outside her comfort zone but she does nonetheless whereas her son never does! It goes on and on. This boy has very few redeeming qualities, but unfortunately there are so social safety nets for this type of kid. I hate to see him flounder given all the opportunities he has had.
Luckily your ss is eons ahead
Luckily your ss is eons ahead of many of the kidults we talk about on this site. He went to college and has a job. I would talk to your wife about a launch plan. Give him a reasonable timeline and help find an alternate living space.
Americorp, Peace Corps, are jobs that offer housing and would relocate him. There are roommate situations and so many ways he could go out and be independent which would be better for him.
Good points but he has no
Good points but he has no interest in moving out of our city. His idea of seeing the world is mainly via his cyber reality. His friends are mainly all living at home too and failing to launch. The few friends that have moved out...have no interest in living with him, he is a slob!
Enjoy disliking him? Really?
Enjoy disliking him? Really?
Thank you...I am rather new
Thank you...I am rather new at this sort of thing and though I seemed to get some constructive insight from most posts, this one was particularly bitter.
He is not the last kid at
He is not the last kid at home, I still have a younger SS currently in university. BTW he is now putting money aside to buy a house when he graduates from his double major of engineering and computer sciences. I have no issues with him - I am extremely proud of his accomplishments and his conduct as a 21 year old man.
So right! Not a single
So right! Not a single person here would advise a gf to stay with this mama's boy but somehow this adult man has to SUPPORT this guy ad infinitum? Just no.
He has the capacity to keep a job, to cook, to get himself to work. He's capable of launching. He just can not "afford" a house as big and nice as stepdad's so he doesn't want to. That's all there is to it.
ETA: If stepdad and mama move into a rusty little single wide trailer with no internet this young man would suddenly be able to find himself an apartment and launch in five minutes.
I have thought of that
I have thought of that scenario as well. Moreover we are currently collecting $100 for room and board which I have putting aside for a deposit on his apartment whenever he decides to move out.
LadyFace and ChiefGrownup
LadyFace and ChiefGrownup have nailed the issue on this one. I hadn't thought about that until both of you mentioned it. I'm not looking forward to the same issues with SS15, soon to be giving us these same problems, because he is a proto-version of Karl's step son. Some of the comments here I found especially helpful were discussing with the wife about at launch plan and if necessary, drawing the line and moving out (though this is easier said than done).
DW is in agreement about a launch plan, but from what I know about her, she'd relent in a minute if he didn't launch. She'd recalibrate and it would then be about how he needs to live here for a few more years.
Also helpful to me was the idea that discussing a launch plan with DW can't be about how I can't stand the stepkid, but from her viewpoint of what's good for him. (Problem with her viewpoint of what's good for him is that it's la-la land.) However, somewhere in there, she wants him to launch.
If he is 15 and you can see
If he is 15 and you can see what has happened to my 25 year old man/boy happening to your SS, then it might not be too late to intervene with a game strategy and providing some "tough" love. My wife and her ex have coddled this boy-man to the Pillsbury dough boy that he is today! My analogy is that he is a full grown robin living still in a nest which his mother feeds on a routine basis. He needs to learn to fly!
Thanks that is a good
Thanks that is a good strategy which I have already discussed with my wife. Hopefully we can come to some resolution. He has one more career bridge to burn. He (or should I say I) applied for a position with correction services as a guard. The position pays about three times what he is currently earning. The process is rather long and I know my wife will not want to impose any kind of date until this process is completed. His biggest hurdle is the interview stage, normally his resume and application letters get him in for a greet and meet, but the big stumbling block for him is the interview due to his poor communication skills. Anyways once this process is complete then I will discuss the notion of drop dead date for moving out. I have stopped looking for positions for him and I have told him than I will no longer craft and prepare applications and CVs either. He is on his own. I have done them now for almost 8 years and in some respects I believe that it has kept him behind. In addition, I suspect that there is a huge disconnect with his application letters and CV and his personal presentation.