How I got here (the site)
I decided to make this a seperate entry rather than a reply on another.
My recent approach has been to distance myself from the situation. DW says I am always negative about SD13 so I have backed off on some things. Many things Ive learned to not worry about.
I only assert myself in areas of importance, or occasionally when I cant take excessive amounts of smaller items.
EXAMPLE: Recently we went away for a week. SD is extremely moody. Apparently its that time of month. (This lasts 3 weeks a month I think)
In our suite I am reading a book in the main area. DW and BD2 are playing a game on the floor. SD13 comes in and puts on the TV. Flips around then stays on some horrible MTV program. DW asks SD to put on something else. Current programs is inappropriate with BD2 in the room. I pay extreme attention to the situation but eyes stay on the book. SD whines about not wanting to. DW tells her again, and is ignored. DW stares at SD, who whines WHAT? And continues to do nothing and ignore her mother. I start getting pissed but waiting for DW to handle it… which she doesn’t. After asking again then reaching for the remote SD moves remote so DW cant get it. That’s where I act, grab remote and turn off TV. SD yells HEY! I said ‘Your mother asked you repeatedly to change the channel, you ignored her and forced me to do something.’ She cries its no big deal and I don’t need to flip out. I didn’t yell scream and flap my arms like she is but apparently Ive flipped out.
She stomps into her room almost in tears. I try and address DW about the behavior is BS and she did nothing. DW wont discuss because SD might hear something said. I try to speak in low tones because this NEEDS to be addressed. DW gets pissed at me. I actually thought she was going to hit me at one point. I think it was the look in her eyes, she was so mad at me. I ended up leaving for about 3 hours, maybe more. That was almost the last day of my marriage. If it wasn’t for BD I would have driven home and told her to find a rental car.
That was 2 days before Thanksgiving. It hasn’t been discussed since. Looking for answers was where I found this site. This will be the subject of our next counseling session.
I could spend my entire workday listing things like this. Part of me wants out so bad but really what I want, have to have, is an end to the conflict over SD and an end to the isolation I feel that it has caused.
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"To Thine Own Self Be True" William Shakesphere
You want an end to the conflict over sd-boy, that's a tough one. And at 13, I fear it will increase as the teenage years continue.
Let's hope you have an excellent counselor and that your wife actively participates.
u cant continue to live like that
i said to DH about a month or so ago: maybe i wouldnt OVERreact to everything if u didnt UNDERreact so much to everything.
pause to take that in...
while i do admit i blow the smallest things out of proportion, its a sign that NOTHING is handled correctly, so its just another thing. to him, i flip out over the smallest stuff. to me, even the smallest stuff he refuses to deal w. im sure thats the same for u.
i do think counseling is a great step, and if shes willing to go, maybe she really might change someday.
"Given the right reasons and the right two people, marriage is a wonderful way of experiencing your life."
~the late great George Carlin
I like that
bella! I am going to tell Dh that when I get home today!
thanks sia!
that WAS one of my finer moments!
"Given the right reasons and the right two people, marriage is a wonderful way of experiencing your life."
~the late great George Carlin
I like the way you presented that
This is exactly what happens with DH and I. He does nothing. Then when I bring it up after I have waited to see what he will do, which is nothing, then I am overreacting according to him. Then I think to myself, no, he should have done something to start with and it never would have escalated to that point. The thing is DH's have the power to stop all this behavior, then we wouldn't feel the need to do so ourselves and end up being the bad guys every time.
"OCD sucks"
Habit and routine have an unbelievable power to destroy.
--Henri de Lubac
exactly harley
like i said, i fully admit that i overreact BUT its only bc after so long of sitting and waiting for him to have SOME reaction and then getting none...it just festers and then explodes over the dumbest shit. if its so small that i shouldnt react like that, then why isnt it small enough for u to handle easily, dummy?
"Given the right reasons and the right two people, marriage is a wonderful way of experiencing your life."
~the late great George Carlin
So true
I couldn't agree more. It festers until it blows!
"OCD sucks"
Habit and routine have an unbelievable power to destroy.
--Henri de Lubac
Bella
I told my DH the same thing in the past...Maybe I wouldn't have to be so "hard" on his little angel if he wasn't so "easy" on her..
In a perfect world their would be retroactive abortion capabilities. disgusted
Here's what I have done in this situation
We have SD15 and BDs5 and 2. I am much more strict about what they watch than DH is, and I don't care who's in the room. So, I handle it several ways. One, if something is in appropriate for BDs and SD is watching it, I either tell DH directly that it's not appropriate and wait for him to get her to change the channel (which may take a while, as it did in your situation). If that does not happen, I will take BDs and leave the room. Take them for a walk, go somewhere else to play. By removing them from the situation I remove the negative influence, without a direct confrontation with SD. If, when I come back the offending program is still on, I will turn it or turn off the TV. I've already made my stance clear.
In your case, when you turned off the TV, you should have just said, "This program is not appropriate for BD2 to watch." Period. No argument, no "How come you didn't listen to your mother?" If mom wants her to listen, mom can make her. But no need getting into the dynamics of their relationship. You'll never win. I've learned that over seven hard years.
Example: DH, SD11, BD1 and I went on vacation one year. We were playing frisbee golf. EVERY shot I made, SD would make a snide, nasty comment. I finally said that was enough and she kept doing it. I blew up and quit playing and took BD and left. DH and SD followed along behind me, wanting to know what my problem was. DH said he and SD "joked around" like that all the time. I said, "Well, I don't like being talked to like that." He thought it was my problem because if it was acceptable to him, it should be acceptable to me. I don't think so! He can let her talk to him that way if he wants (and he does, and I don't interfere). But she's NOT going to talk to me that way.
You will
be in my prayers. It's a tough situation that you're in, and it's wonderful to see you put forth the effort into your marriage. You need to let DW know that... how you feel. I'm sure you probably have but did you let her know what parts of the marriage bother you? The parts of the marriage that make you want to leave? Maybe if you tell her that you are sometimes at a point where you just want to give up, she'll realize that you're serious. Maybe she'll see how much you're going through.
Bella, that was PERFECT!
And sums up 5 years of the majority of the problems in our marriage, too! DH is way too "hands off" when it comes to parenting his girls, leaving me totally frustrated and causing me to overreact to his lack of parenting. (And also leaves me resenting both him AND the girls at the same time).
I'm more of a 27/7 "hands on," no-nonsense type of parent. Break the rules- I hold you accountable. And guess what- it works every time!
And if I can get my special needs son to "tow the line" and follow the rules, I don't see why his darling princesses are exempt from the very same rules.
"If you have never been hated by a child, you have never been a parent."
-Bette Davis
i know, rite?!
funny thing too is that it wasnt something i had been pondering and finally figured out w a litebulb moment...we were arguing and it just came out and THEN i had the litebulb moment!
even he was like, "ahhhhhh!"
sometimes im so good i scare my own self!
"Given the right reasons and the right two people, marriage is a wonderful way of experiencing your life."
~the late great George Carlin
I agree
Many DH's are too hands off. My own BD does not get away with much at my house. I guess I am a bit of a harda$$. DH used to tell me how harda$$ he was when he was with BM. Well, if what I'm seeing at my house is anything like what went on at BM's house with discipline, no wonder his kids are all jacked up! Maybe the guilt set in with him at my house. When SD was with us a few months ago, apparently her curfew was 1:00 am. Xcuse me?? A 16 yo at the time, 1:00 am?? No freakin way knowing she has a 21 yo BF. That's another issue too. If my own kid were out that late, I would be on the phone making sure she was ok. Not DH, he's in bed snoring without a care in the world. I remember one morning having to kick said BF out at 3:00am from SD bedroom. DH got up to pee, saw the BF was still there and did nothing. Guess who had to?? Me, miss bad guy. I don't get it.
"OCD sucks"
Habit and routine have an unbelievable power to destroy.
--Henri de Lubac
Maybe it's time for you to draw the line
"To Thine Own Self Be True" William Shakesphere
There's something you're doing for your SD that I have no intention of doing for my SD's-providing financial support. It should be a given that as you've been raising this child, you should be able to take the remote away without enduring a huge scene, for crying out loud.
But you also financially support her. You mentioned her fathers c/s barely covers tution. Your wife is not working. So you are currently the sole support. Where is your W's respect and appreciation of you for doing that? I mean, this kid is standing there in clothes you paid for, sleeping in a house you pay for, eating food you pay for, but you aren't allow to parent her? Even over a remote control???
I know my H is totally unfair to me with his SD17 (read some of my blogs, you'll see what I mean). But at least he does not expect me to support her financially and take her attitude too.
Its nice to know Im not
Its nice to know Im not totally nuts and alone in left field. And iits nice to read some words of support and encouragement.
I am trying to draw the line a bit... but I am being time sensitive too. I think when I put my foot down it will be seen as a Her (SD) or me thing and I loose. I wold like to get past the holidays before true hell rains down on me.
I have picked up some good insites here already on how to communicate some issues, so maybe she wont see it that way when I get to it.
The hard part is she doesnt see the reality of what I am saying. Everything is looked at in the worst light and that is the starting point. She doesnt trust me, sometimes I think she is subconciously sabotaging things to prevent her getting screwed over in the future...
Can you buy therapy in bulk?
Raising a teenage gilr is
Raising a teenage gilr is hard. I know, I used to be one. And sometimes I think I might be the same as your wife...my husband is stepdad to my 5 year old, who has his father's bad temper and is overall very emotional...its draining. I have a 6 month old as well, makes it even more draining. Your wife sounds like she doesn't like confrontation. I'm the same way with my son. I learn to pick my battles. My husband is harder on him than I am, and every once in awhile it pisses me off. Sometimes I get defensive because it feels like he's calling me a bad mother when he wants to punish my son for something that I don't see a problem with. So its definitely a balancing act when you're both not the parents. In a sense she is a single mother doing her best to raise a teenage girl...its her first time. And while you are most likely correct 99% of the time in how you think the girl should be handled, she might being feeling a little attacked or degraded when you choose to step in on a situation. It may be best to either discuss in detail the rules & how you will stick togethere to enforce them, or just disengage & not get involved until she decides she wants & needs your help.
"Nobody will ever win the battle of the sexes. There's too much fraternizing with the enemy"
Your SD and mine are long lost twins
But DH is the one who blows up and I'm the one who can neutralize it. For a while that bothered me because it shouldn't be my job, and makes me out to be the overbearing one.
I think you handled this one perfectly. And I would tell DW if she doesn't think it's appropriate to discuss it, then what time is she available? It may be better to discuss it later anyway, when all tempers are cooler. BUT DW needs to know you will discuss it at some point. And you have not forgotten about it just because she would like you to.
I over correct my SD because she is constantly provoking. I think though that she can handle it, if I balance it with positive interaction and believe me that is hard with her. She has bled me dry and used me, and doing nice things for her makes me feel like a chump. But I do need to do them for a few more years.
I agree with VicM that you need to talk to DW about this because it does affect BD as well. My BD is 3, and when DH blows his top yelling at SD, or SD yells back when he remains cool, it negatively affects BD. Sometimes she just cries and is a little scared of them both.
You don't want that to happen. It's a sad little face, and sometimes causes me to snap at him to control himself (which doesn't help even though he's not mad at me.) It's not scary to me, or to my sons, just one of them or both of them raising their voice. But those little ears are more sensitive.
Goodluck, and welcome.
"Om Tare Tutare Ture Mama Ayurpunye Jnana Putin Kuru Svaha"
~Sita Tara Mantra
Your not crazy!!!
First off welcome! It's nice to have another guy here to talk to - I'm probably gonna have to email you to ask an opinion on another subject but anyways your wife and you (if you stick around long enough)have got to get control over this kid. Your wife is either too lazy to deal with disciplining or her own daughter or she feels guilty about something. From what you described - you sound like an awesome stepfather and those two should be worshiping the ground you walk on. It also sounds like you would have split a long time ago if it wasn't for BD. Would your wife be open to going to family counseling? Just perhaps start off with just the two of you and then bring SD in to the mix. This way the counselor will get you two on the same page and then you can ged SD in the mix. I'm not too good with skids issues because my SD15 is a really good kid (except for the fact she just stopped talking to us for the past mth cuz her mom started lying about somethings) but all these ladies have givin you some great advice here. Good luck to you and we hope to hear more from you! Take care
We have been in counseling
We have been in counseling for awhile now. Seems liek things are going to start to get more tense as I need some movement in a positive direction.
I dotn think my wife is lazy, its just some kind of blindness. She doesnt see whats right in front of her. And she is guilt parenting. Trying to make up for the BD very limited involvement in her life.
Bella
you sound just like my I wont over react if my DH would handle it right the first time.
but of course...
WE are the nuts for acting the way we do...whatever DH.
"Given the right reasons and the right two people, marriage is a wonderful way of experiencing your life."
~the late great George Carlin
Sloan
I can totally relate to your blog...You pay all of bills and provide for the kid but DW treats you liek you have no parental rights or autority!! For years, I raised Dh's brat practically all by myself..Hubby is Army and has been deployed to IRAQ 2 and a half years out of the last five..Yep, the step brat was in my care exclusivley during both deployments..Then DH comes home and basically strips me of all my parental authority and respect with her..He undermines me, critisizes how I did things while he was gone infront of all the children, and basically undoes any progress that I made with his little "darling" while I was gone.. Basically, he wants me to take on all of both him and the egg donars parental responsibility but not have any parental authority...
He just got home from his second tour a month and a half ago...I spent 15 months in a foreign country with my two kids and taking care of his ingratful snot of a kid..Only to have him come home and do what he did after his first tour...I told him that I will NEVER keep her during another one of his deployments ever again..He says, "I have no place else to send her"...I told him "That sounds like a personal problem to me!" If I am the only one he has to keep his snot while he is deployed it would seem that he would show some appreciation for me keeping her and taking care of her all that time..Rather then just expecting it and then critisizing me in front of the children when he gets home...
I don't care if the snot has to live in a car outside a drug rehab with her bm during his next deployment...I just know the snot isn't staying under my roof when he isn't there anymore. I could use a nice year long break from the trouble making snot when her dad is gone...Maybe sometime living with the BM might do her some good!!!
In a perfect world their would be retroactive abortion capabilities. ~ disgusted
My DW would be perfectly
My DW would be perfectly fine with me parenting SD if I did it via ass kissing and blowing smoke up her ass and laying down like a dog.
Ummm, that is not parenting!
"To Thine Own Self Be True" William Shakesphere
And it takes two to save a marriage!
The picture I'm getting is this: You mentioned a large home-perhaps one that is a financial strain? Your Sd goes to Catholic school-expensive. C/S barely covers the cost. Your wife stays home with BD, which is great IF you can afford it. You shuttle SD to school every day. You pay for SD's needs. W will not support you, in fact, does the very opposite, every time you try to correct SD. SD views you as substandard. No respect there. So in essence, you are good enough to pay for her needs/wants, but not good enough to discipline.
So we know what you bring to the plate. What does your wife bring to the plate, as far as you as a spouse, you as a provider for her and the children? You mentioned lack of physical affection, so I'm puzzled. What is her contribution, where are her compromises?
Her contribution and her
Her contribution and her comprimises are... Im sure she could give a list. Im basically coming up empty. Ive siad it before I feel like she is trying to sabotage the relationship, probably subconciously.
My wife is crippled by her trying to make up for BD and trying to hang onto her little girl who is at the parents suck stage of life. She thought they would be like the Gilmore Girls... They used to watch it together every week. Loosing that closeness with her daughter has been very hard for her so she gives in all the time. Its almost like she is afraid to say no.
It wasnt like this a couple years ago. there was some normal bio mom guilt parenting because of BD but it was all managable. When SD began to get that pre-teen and teen shitty attidude everything changed.
my DH does that w his son
naturally, DH felt so bad after the divorce and their mother abandoning them. when she started seeing them, albeit infrequently, she was good time parent and he was well, the real parent. SS20 started to resent him, as they usually do when theyre teens and are corrected for anything. but since DH was he only one really parenting, he looked like the bad guy to his son. SS20 has since realized dad was only trying to make him grow up to be a good man.
so now w SS15, i think he is afraid to do anything that could possibly sever the relationship slightly. DH wants to be viewed as SS's buddy, and hates to discipline bc he doesnt want his son to think hes always yelling. but DH has since gotten better, bc i think (i hope)ive made him realize that SS needs DH to be a parent, and that comes w discipline. and so far, SS hasnt held it against him
i know there is some guilt too that their mom left them bc she didnt love him and didnt want to be w him, and so he feels responsible for that abandonment too. he told me he never loved BM, they only married bc of the kids, but that when she left he felt like a failure. sank deeply into a depression and abusing state that led him to BM2. thanks BM. (sarcasm)
"Given the right reasons and the right two people, marriage is a wonderful way of experiencing your life."
~the late great George Carlin
am I missing something...
or did I read correctly that you are for all intents and purposes, the "father" in this child's life? She was what, 7 or 8 when you became a part of her life correct? So, what is the problem with you parenting her? If she has an absent(basically) biodad, and you are there full time... then it would be silly for you not to be a "parent" in your home. Where else will this child learn the true dynamics of a family? Where else will this girl learn what a real man should act like, and how a husband and wife should work together and communicate, and back each other up when making choices that affect the home and family...?? I may take a rather strong position on not sitting back and letting your DW handle it, but I would think the lenght of time, and age you came around would play very big roles in this...
The problem is that DW
The problem is that DW thinks I am always wrong... we are so far apart on many things.
Well, short of checking between you two each and everytime
"To Thine Own Self Be True" William Shakesphere
I don't know what your answer is. Guess you could tell the W that if she doesn't want you to have any say in the discipline, then you have no responsiblities either. And I mean none. Zip. No more rides to school. DW will have to work to pay for SD's clothing, food, etc. Sorry, game up!
Or you could play the what do you think we should do. DW asks SD to change the channel. No response. You could turn to DW and say...dearest DW, what would you prefer I do now because your darling child is turning a deaf ear to your instructions to change the channel. I don't wish to upset you by saying or doing the wrong thing, so how can I help you here without damaging SD's fraglie little self, or making you feel badly about me deciding I need to correct poor little SD blah blah blah etc.
If your Sd is being disrespectful, your wife is constantly siding with her, what other choice do you have? Believe me, I deal with it with my SD17, and it's even worse than a 13 y.o.