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It's hopeless, FH is pissed!

NewSM10's picture

Again, just venting.....could use some advice on how to proceed.

Shit has really hit the fan so to speak. I wondered why BM hasn't harassed us about spending time with SS9. Turns out the witch had a few things up her sleeve. Now FH's paychecks are automatically deducted for child support and WITHOUT NOTICE!!!! FH opened his paycheck today and wondered why it was a lot less than normal. Shock!!!!! I don't think he has gotten the chip off his shoulder all day about it. He usually doesn't take this long to get over things. He has had it with BM, and I mean had all he can take of her crap. He said he is done with the entire situation, he had given her two chances and she has screwed up both times. Either she is going to give him the chance to be in SS9's life as his father or BM can have her money and FH will be out of the picture. BM wants her cake and eat it too. She wants all the money, and she wants us to spend tons of extra money to entertain SS9 on top of that, and have FH in her life. We can not afford to pay her out the back end in CS and then spoil the kid on top of that!!! So, I don't know what to say to BM now when she contacts us. I know she will deny having anything to do with his checks being deducted. She is the only one that controls that and has been known in the past to harass the CS officials daily. They can't stand her! She is nothing but a worthless, manipulative, back stabbing witch!!!!!! We have done our best to make nice with her for the sake of the child but she has made this all about her. I seriously think that she considers all the money she gets as payback for her pain and suffering. We are tired of trying to make all her wrong decisions right, to be the better person in all of this. It's hopeless! It didn't even take that dumb witch three months to screw everything up. She can't keep her mouth shut, she thinks she deserves something from FH b/c he didn't like her. She needs a reality check is what she needs. She can't expect FH just to take it up the back end b/c he wants to do what is right for his bio son. And she can have her way. As I said a million times before we are not going to challenge her on all of this. We do not have thousands of dollars to take her to court. We would rather pay CS each month, have her out of our lives (gladly) and use that money to start our own family. Ugh!!!!! I just don't know what to say to her when I have the chance. I need to say it professionally and civil.

I don't know how to nicely put it to BM that this situation is no longer working. All her drunken confessions and now the paycheck deductions have just made us realize that she is incapable of working things out. It's all about her and what works best for her, b/c SHE is in control....remember!? Well, I have news for her she isn't in control anymore. She will no longer have me playing nice with her, she will no longer have FH in her life to drool over, she can take her misbehaved child and her CS checks and shove them where the sun doesn't shine!!!!

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NewSM10's picture

Oh, to clear things up FH has paid CS all along. We were just making payment on our own time throughout the month. Now it's being deducted automatically.

NewSM10's picture

Well, don't you think it's kind of odd that they haven't done it all this before, and now that we are in communication with her it's now deducted. Meaning, she now knows our address and could have easily driven by our house and gotten FH's work info off of his company vehicle. That's all I'm saying. And we know in the past, she has even admitted, that she used to bug the crap out of the child support officials.

It isn't just the payroll deductions, that's the icing on top of the cake, you can read my previous blogs to get the entire picture. I don't doubt that she has something to do with it.

NewSM10's picture

It just feels like she is taking all the control out of our hands. It felt like we were actually paying the support willingly when we set up the payments on our own. Now it feels forced and out of our control. I'm sure BM wants it at a set date b/c the dumb witch doesn't have a job.

NewSM10's picture

I know, he could ask but they probably won't tell us that it was her giving the info. It doesn't matter now, it's all said and done, there is nothing he can do about it now. I mean we have only been in real communication over the last few months, where she actually knows more about us. I was stupid and sent a birthday card to her with our return address at the beginning of this month (March 1st to be exact) for SS9's birthday. Now, all of a sudden his checks are deducted only a few weeks later. His company vehicle is parked outside our house. Sound fishy to ya'll???

Snowflake's picture

That is really as low as a person can go. What was she thinking!!! Then how was she going to get her precious CS checks!!! WHat a dumb girl she is!!!

NewSM10's picture

Well, he has been paying court ordered CS for 8 years now. It was deducted from a previous job, FH had it set up that way in the past, but he left that job a long time ago. Now, years have past and all of a sudden they are now deducting it from his current job, which he didn't want this time. I like to control when my bills are paid including the CS so I am also pissed. I don't want the CS coming out the week that my mortgage is due. I'm sorry, some things have priority over paying the CS, she gets her money each month but when it's best for us to pay.

Thanks for giving me a heads up on that. BM is certainly crazy enough to do that!!!!! I will warn FH about what happened to your husband so if his boss gets any weird calls he can have that in mind. BM has stolen money from his bank account in the past, I am sure she is capable of something like that. I feel like we have a long road ahead. Sad

herewegoagain's picture

I am so very sorry for what you are going through...it's a bit of a Deja Vu for me, except ours told the CS office he had never paid so they not only garnished his cs, but arrears...and the day it happened was the day that my entire family was together and my husband went to work just in the morning and I called him in the afternoon that my grandfather (whom DH dearly loved and vice versa) had died...sigh...

It is truly a way for manipulating people...period. My DH never missed a payment either, except she wanted the money quicker, ie. on the DAY he got paid and she wasn't willing to wait a few days for the check to arrive in the mail...

With that said, I suggest that you go into all public records and check for liens...in addition, get a copy of his credit report. What will now happen, at least in our case, is that the CS shows up in his credit report...by the way, the CS agency told us they had not done either of these things when DH asked them...we found out on our own doing online searches...so if you go to buy a house or something this is how they calculate how much you can afford...

Let's say he makes 1K a month (just a figure)...normally max to spend on a house is 280USD or 28%...well, if CS is 20% , then that leaves him with only 80USD a month he can afford on a mortgage...vs. saying you make 1K a month, minus cs of 280 a month, that leaves your income at 720 and 28% of that is 201.60...you see how messed up it will be? Basically, you will be out of luck to get a mortgage...unless of course you are super rich and doing it either way leaves you with a nice chunk for mortgage...

And you know, it is sad but that is exactly what these women want...they WANT their DHs out of the pic so they can do whatever they please with their lives and their kid's life...money is much more important to most of them than their daughters have a dad around...My DH pretty much did the same thing...he gave up...he still tried to contact his daughter, but after that it was almost impossible...the contact was very infrequent and of course we were ALSO told to find a lawyer and sue her, etc...we could not after what she did...we were broke...we STILL are broke because of it...fast forward 4-5yrs and now he deals with a 15yr old preggo...those statistics you see of girls w/out dads who turn out pregnant aren't made up...DH's daughter is now a statistic...

Again, I am so very sorry you are going through this...it is ridiculous how these mothers treat the fathers of their kids...and by the way, the employers are NOT supposed to mention it...my DH was given additional information from HR because the office is very small and they have a good personal/professional relationship (she loves him as a son)

PS - and yes, it was the BM that did it...there was NO REASON for it to happen unless the BM requested it...and I can ASSURE you that even if she didn't REQUEST it, as some here might believe, she was aware of it happening BEFORE he was...

NewSM10's picture

I'm sorry to hear about your situation. It totally sucks to be going through this but I'm glad I'm not alone. Good advice is hard to come by in the real world so I am grateful to have you all. I think that BM wants her money b/c now that her husband has taken her back she is forcing him to buy her a bigger house (she hasn't had a job in over a year). So lucky for her she can add that nice chunk of money to their monthly earnings when THEY go to buy a bigger house. Isn't that shitty!? I hate how this entire system works. BM thinks she is being sly and we wouldn't put two and two together. I know for a fact that she is loving having FH in her life again. She has mentioned so many times her intent on FH meeting HER family. So, that leads me to believe that she wants her cake and eat it too. She wants the money on time (b/c she doesn't have a job and lets her husband support her), for us to fork over tons of our extra income to amuse SS9 with fun things, and for her to ogle FH every other weekend. She can't stop commenting to me about him when I am in the same room with her, Oh FH this, and FH that, FH and I are sooo much alike. Whatever! She is crazy and we are so tired of her trying to manipulate the situation. We are so ready to just give her the CS money and not have anything to do with her. I think our lives were much better before honestly, just paying her money and having her out of our lives. At least we can say we tried, and FH has for the second time.

herewegoagain's picture

You are probably right on the house thing...if CS is paid directly to the BM, she cannot count that as income to qualify for a mortgage...but if it's sent through the state, she CAN include...guess what? The ex in our case wanted the same thing...a week after she got the increase she signed a mortgage for a brand new house costing twice as much as her older house (which was in foreclosure, I have no idea how she managed that...)...anyway, I found ALL THE PAPERWORK for the new mortgage, etc. online through free city searches, etc...with her name, address, etc...actual mortgage papers...so while we struggled thanks to her, she was happy as could be cause she had a new house...but you know what? She LOST THE HOUSE less than a year later...and you know, I couldn't help but smile when it happened...Honestly, I am not making this up...I actually have a private drop.io site with ALL the docs online from crazy witch and all the things she has done so that if his daughter ever comes to ask her daddy why he was so mean, why he wasn't there, that her mom is just great, he has actual proof to show her...anytime we find anything out, we put it in our private drop.io site...

NewSM10's picture

About your PS-thank you, that's exactly what I was thinking. BM had to have known about it before hand (meaning she was the one who asked for it), if by some benefit of a doubt (which I never giver her anymore) that she didn't know about it, CS would have surely contacted her to let her know what's going on. I know that for a fact. Seriously, thanks for agreeing with me on that one. She is an evil, spiteful person and totally capable of doing that to us. I haven't confronted her about it, tempted, but I know she will just deny it.

Oh, and BM was also part of the statistic you were talking about. Her Dad wasn't around much when she was growing up, came from a broken home, and ended up getting knocked up by FH. That is also true! I'm sorry you and your husband are now having to deal with that. If these crazy BM's would just move over and let the father's have room to be a father, then none of us would be in these crazy situations to where we and the children have to suffer.

NewSM10's picture

StepAside, I know what you mean. I wish it were that easy but BM will not allow us to have SS9 without her around. We don't know what to do, we can't afford to pay child support and thousands more to go back to court. We have things in our lives that we want to do with that amount of money, get married and have our own children. It isn't worth it to us to spend that kind of money and battle her in court to see SS9. Even if we wanted to spend the money, we certainly do not have it now and would take a long time to save thousands of dollars. It isn't an option, probably will never be, so that is our problem.

Oh, and I haven't contacted BM like I have done in the past pushing to see SS9. I have just taken a step back, mainly b/c I don't know what to do or say to her at this point. So I am just waiting for her to contact me about seeing SS again.

NewSM10's picture

StepAside, I know what you mean. I wish it were that easy but BM will not allow us to have SS9 without her around. We don't know what to do, we can't afford to pay child support and thousands more to go back to court. We have things in our lives that we want to do with that amount of money, get married and have our own children. It isn't worth it to us to spend that kind of money and battle her in court to see SS9. Even if we wanted to spend the money, we certainly do not have it now and would take a long time to save thousands of dollars. It isn't an option, probably will never be, so that is our problem.

Oh, and I haven't contacted BM like I have done in the past pushing to see SS9. I have just taken a step back, mainly b/c I don't know what to do or say to her at this point. So I am just waiting for her to contact me about seeing SS again.

Rags's picture

In the juriscicition where my SS's Custody/Visitation/Support case is active payroll withholding for CS is automatic after 1994. Any new CS judgement or amendment to an existing judgement where automatic withholding is not in place will automatically inititate payroll withholding.

It may be that it took a while for the system to engage on this.

However, I like your enthusiasm on focusing on your marriage and your own life and not giving BM any control over your lives.

Unfortunately the boy and Dad will be the ones to suffer.

Best regards,

Success is rarely final. Failure is rarely fatal. It is character, courage and consistency of effort that count. Vince Lombardi (with some minor Rags modifications) To each according to their performance, screw Karl Marx. (Rags)

oneoffour's picture

I personally prefer getting the state to handle CS. It means she cannot complain about you not paying when you had etc. Yes, it messes with your budget but with the GOOD thing is she cannot complain to you about not getting her check when wants it. She cannot ask for additionalmoney EVER. No emotional blackmail.

AS for the extras, why do you even THINK you have to do this? Because the child says "Mum said you need to get me/take me/buy me....?' ths is when you say, sweetie, that isn't our plan for today. And ignore the whining the rest of the day. Make cookies with the kid and give him some e can take home to his mother. If she throws them out it will NOT make him happy.

Another thing you may try is " Not this month. But if you help me with a few little chores you will be able to earn the treat."

bearcub25's picture

But with the state taking the money directly, this limits contact with BM.

We send or give CS check to BM on the 1st & 15th. If BF gets the kids that weekend, he just hands her the check. 2 times this year it got completely messed up b/c BF had the flu and had to switch EOW and one snowstorm, he couldn't get them. It was a complete pain to make a special trip to her house just to give her a check....I would much rather the state take it out of his check and she can bitch and whine to them when there is a little problem.

NewSM10's picture

Thanks for all the advice. It really does help. The best part about the CS in our state is that we can go online and make a payment through their website (super convenient) which I like. We never have to give her money directly to BM. FH tried that when SS9 was born and BM got a job at the bank where his checks were issued and she stole all his money, she now has a felony. He knows not to do that anymore. We feel like we have to spend additional money at this point b/c we are meeting at fun places (all together) b/c BM won't let us have him on our own. The times we have gone back to their house (3x per SS) BM has gotten drunk and caused drama. I'm sure we will adjust to having the money come out of his checks after a while but it is the PRINCIPLE of it! The fact that I know she had something to do with it and we were not given ANY notice. As I said before, our state did take his money out automatically in the past but hasn't for like 3-4 years when he changed jobs. Now all of a sudden we are in contact with her, I gave her our return address earlier this month on SS's bday card (like an idiot), FH has a company vehicle parked outside, and now all of a sudden his checks are deducted. I know how CS works, we have talked to CS about our situation in the past, and I have called several times and pretended like I was a BM wanting money and asked for advice. BM is totally in control of everything! She has the right to say no to a lot of things they try to do and they ALWAYS notify her of what is going on. And she hasn't contacted us about seeing SS9 in the past couple of weeks, guilty much? I know she is wanting her money when she wants it b/c she doesn't have a job. And yes it was easier to pay it on our own b/c if I needed to pay another bill, I could just pay CS a few days later or the following week when I got paid. Ya know, it just makes me so mad! Sometimes we have to use FH's check to pay the mortgage and the second week (we get paid opposite weeks) we use my check to pay CS. As I said we will adjust but it makes us very angry!

This entire situation has gotten so out of hand. This last thing with the payroll deduction has FH pissed off beyond repair. He usually gets over things easily but after all the crap she has confessed over the last month and now this, he just can't get passed it. It's hard for him to have someone admit that they tried to screw up your life and FH still feels trapped b/c he can't have SS in his life w/out contact with her (which I am sure she loves). BM is also trying to smother FH and I by trying to force us (I know it is more about FH than I) to be around her family for some reason and she won't take no for an answer. She has unrealistic expectations regarding this entire situation b/c she wants to be too involved in FH's life. I really feel that BM thinks that she should also be invited to meet FH's family, which will NEVER happen. BM is out of control!!!!!!! FH has said it a million times before and makes it very evident when he is around BM that he is there for the child only. That should not be a problem for her! She should be grateful that he is willing to be in the same room with her after all she has done, and she ruined that by all her ridiculous confessions. We feel trapped by BM, that she is trying to be too controlling and manipulate us all of the time. We don't feel comfortable around her, FH is so pissed he will not be around her anymore after her confessions and especially not now after the payroll deductions. We feel like we have no choice. We can take her to court and pay out thousands of dollars for visitation, which we won't do, so we have no choice but to back off. FH and I feel like it would be best to just wait until SS9 is 18 and BM can't force herself on us. We have tried our best and SS9 calls her husband Dad so it isn't an issue of him not having a father. FH has never felt like SS9 was his child, not the first time he tried when he was a baby and not now. Why can't things just be easy and cut and dry. I resent FH so much sometimes for having to deal with all of this BS. I think our life will be so much better if we can just go back to paying CS and have her and bratty SS out of our hair. I hate to be that way but BM has given us no choice.

What do I say to BM when she tries to contact me again????

herewegoagain's picture

You say, sorry, but we have nothing to discuss. I did not have a child with you. Either contact my FH on his phone, or send him a letter...you know our address...and then, hang up. Or just don't answer the phone anymore. Let your DH answer or not. Not your kid, not your problem. Believe me it will be easier on you...remember, if you have contact she can attempt to twist thing around...ie. tell your future in-laws you said X or Y and they will be stuck in the middle vs. if she tells them your SON said X or Y, they will probably tell her to f$%5 off and believe whatever your FH says.

Deep breaths, stay out of it, have a savings account only under YOUR name so that she cannot touch that money. Do NOT deposit his money into your account through checks, only cash...do NOT transfer monies between accounts...and move on with your life.

Yes, the SS at 18 might say, "why did you leave, my mom just wanted you to support me, what is wrong with that?" but at the end, you would've saved yourself many years of heartache...and you can always show him proof that you DID support him even BEFORE the courts and the BM garnished the wages, so that it wasn't a matter of support...period.

I would also keep a record of your DH's salary, expenses, etc...so that if his son ever wants to question him, he can show him that he could not AFFORD to support him and see him and buy him extras, etc...and that YOU are not responsible for him, only him and his mother are.

unhappy2happy's picture

Newsm10, I feel so bad for you, I wish I knew how to make you feel better...BM's are a pain in the ass and can cause so much drama in our lives.. I would have as little to do with her as possible... Karma is a bi.... and she will be the one to suffer in the end... I know I have seen this in my life as a SM.

NewSM10's picture

Thank you all soooo much!!!!! I feel confident in my decision to not be involved anymore. I feel that I have done enough and FH has done enough. Any issues SS9 has in his life or future is as a result of her actions and bad decisions not ours. We will pay child support as court ordered and FH's obligation to help financially support his bio son.

herewegoagain, so we need to keep all the money we don't want touched in my name right? can they take money out of his checking account? I'm sure anything is possible. Good advice! Smile