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Punishment suggestions?

Crizzle's picture

So my SD15 or BMjr. as I like to call her is very sneaky. She acts all goody goody in front of everyone, but as soon as she thinks DH and I aren't looking or listening she gets snotty with my kids. I am fed up to my gills with this little sneaky, deceitful......girl. She did it again tonight while DH is at work. I told DH he had better lay down the law and straighten her out or we will have to find a way to keep the kids separated. And he knows by my saying "keep the kids separated" that he and I will have to separate. I'd like to send her off into exile, but I can wish in one hand and gobbledygook in the other see what I get I guess. So people, what do you think would be a good punishment for this behavior?

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poisonivy's picture

What exactly did she do....

other than the sneakiness, what rules did she break? I am a firm believer that the punishment should fit the crime. You said that she did it again tonight, exactly what?

Crizzle's picture

she was getting snotty with my kids. She was at the other end of the house and thought I couldn't hear her. This is a constant issue with her.

Crizzle's picture

And it's not just about tonight. Sometimes it's her tone, sometimes she is a smartass straight up.

poisonivy's picture

I would sit her down and explain common courtesy to her once and for all. When it happens again, which it will, I would carry on as if nothing had happened and tell theother kids to do the same. Then when she needs something fromone of you, which she will, I would kindly explain to her that members of the family who cannot act civilly toward each other only receive the necessities, food and shelter...no TV, no radio, no video games, no going out, no friend sover, no new clothes or shoes...

but the key here is to wait until she asks.

And tell DH what you're doing...when my DH saw that I was taking matters into my own hands, he knew that i was WAAAAAY serious.

StepMadre's picture

I completely, totally and strongly agree with poisonivy! I would have a full family sit-down meeting and go over the house rules (that you and your husband have already agreed on privately). Make it clear that they apply to everyone in the house so that no one feels singled out or picked on. PoisonIvy's suggestions are great. If you hear her using a rude tone or being nasty to the other kids, take away a privilege. Don't back down, don't waffle and don't let her manipulate her way out of a consequence.

My oldest SS is only 12 so I know I will be heading into this territory too. One thing is that a lot of people (usually people who have rude and horrible teens) just accept inappropriate behavior as "teen" behavior as if that somehow excuses it. Obviously, the teen years are difficult and if teens didn't rebel a little they would never leave home! It is best if you start out with good discipline as early as possible, but no matter what the age is, you can insist that everyone in the household treat each other with respect and kindness.

That addresses the symptoms, but it sounds like this girl might need therapy to work through her issues. It's normal for kids to fight, especially siblings, but it's not normal for a 15 year old to be verbally abusive or nasty with younger kids. I don't know the situation but it sounds like she is having a hard time with the whole blended family thing and her BM sounds like she doesn't help either.

You won't necessarily be able to make her change and become a better person and sister, but you can and should demand respect for your kids and yourself. My SS12 is like a different kid compared to when I first became his SM, but even now, if he has been with BM, he comes over with a lot of attitude and a negative, whiny outlook. I remember being shocked when my H (my fiance at the time) asked him to do some chore and he whined and complained and then got another lecture. Next day, instead of whining his comments were technically polite, but his tone was so rude that it got him the loss of one day's video game time. In general now, he is pretty good, it's my SS6 that is the whiny, manipulative one at this point. SS12 rarely says anything really nasty anymore, but he still does use his bratty tone with us if he's been with BM for a while and we have to nip it in the bud immediately. If I pick him up from school and he's in a bad mood, I tell him that he is allowed to say how he feels and why he's upset, but he knows that he is not allowed to call people names, swear, mock or tease. He is NOT allowed to whine on and on and blame everyone but himself for his own mistakes. If I ask him how school was and he answers in a nasty tone, he gets a warning and if it happens again he loses a privilege. On days that we get the boys after they have been with BM for her weekend, they are usually completely strung out on junk food and sugar, in the habit of fighting and hitting each other and very rude and nasty to adults, including strangers and friends. If I pick them up and it seems like it's going to be one of those days I pull over and park and then remind them that even though it's hard to switch, they are with us now and have to follow our rules. Most of the time I just have to give that little reminder and they snap back into our mode. On bad days, they get a warning in the car and on awful days they both wind up going straight to time out at home and not getting to watch tv or play video games. They obey us really well and it's because we are always consistent. Their "punishment" isn't to make me or H feel better or to vent our anger, it's for the boys and so they will grow up knowing basic manners and respecting people. My SS12 is generally extremely obedient, but tone is still a big problem with him. He walks all over BM and is incredibly rude to her, but she puts up with it and is rude to him as well. That may fly at BMs, but we're the kind of family that raises well-behaved kids, not any of that "boys will be boys" crap. Not in our house! I don't care if you're 15 or 115, I still won't put up with anything other than basic manners as a minimum.

Figure out the stuff she loves to do and have losing them (temporarily- we usually go from a day to a week depending on the infraction) be a consequence for her behavior. If, after explaining the new rules to her and the entire family, give her one warning if she is nasty or rude to anyone and then take away a privilege (phone, computer use, TV time, friend time etc...)

If you stick to your rules and are in agreement with your spouse, this will work for you even if it takes a little time (kids rebel at new things, especially new rules)

Oh, and one last thing! You only have about three years left 'til she's 18!! Biggrin

Rags's picture

Hundreds and hundreds of sentences all written in impeccable hand writing while sitting in an extremely uncomfortable antique wooden desk in an empty room all alone.

"I will not be nasty to anyone and I will treat people the way I want to be treated" about 1000 times should get the message across.

Have the sentence fit the infraction. If she writes one sentence sloppily have her do 10 more. Give her a time limit. If she misses the time limit have her do it again until she makes the time limit.

Have the number of sentences and time limit commiserate with the age of the child.

This does several things. It forces the child to focus on the infraction as the punishment is executed, it gets the child away from the rest of the family so the family can enjoy time together without the PITA child and .......... the kid will have the best handwriting imaginable.

Whenever I mention sentences my SS-17 cringes even though he has not had that particular punishment in about 5yrs. He wrote ~tens of thousands of sentences from age 7-~12.

Good luck and best regards.

Crizzle's picture

Excellent idea. Thank you.
We do something similar for lying. We have a paper with all the different types of lies and the definitions of each. When they get caught in a lie they have to copy it.

Crizzle's picture

Old Dart - She never said anything like that. She only asked questions then said "sounds like a teenager"

anabihibik's picture

She's been on here for almost six months. She hasn't said anything offensive. All she did was ask for more information, and with all the information you've given, I think she sounds like a teenager, too. And, I would agree with the above suggestions to handle any teenager, especially the family meeting idea.