Questions regarding normal development of 12-year-old
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I have some questions for either bios or steps who have/had children in middle school.
1. Do your bios/steps have Regular chores that they are responsible for? Do you pay them?
2. What Personal responsibilities are reasonable for children around 12 years old? Do they set an alarm to get up for school or do you still wake them up? Are they Independent doing homework unless they have a question or does an Parent have to remind them daily to do homework and sit with them Through the whole process? Do they shower/brush teeth Willingly or is it a fight to get them to do these things? Do they change their clothes during the weekend on their own or would they stay/sleep in the same clothes all weekend unless forced to change?
Mine is 16 now but he still
Mine is 16 now but he still cant manage most of this. He is also just the laziest human being on the planet. He doesn't bother brushing his teeth because "none have fallen out yet". At 12 they should be able to do their own homework, ask questions if needed, but handle it, not have to be supervised (mine cant do this either). They should be able to wake up with an alarm, but of course i would check to make sure they are up just because they are not great about that, but some adults arent either. They should have had chores for years already. Toddlers can pick up after themselves. They shouldn't need to be told to shower, brush their teeth or pick up after themselves. They should be cleaning their room, vacuuming, unloading/loading the dishwasher, cleaning their bathroom, can do their own laundry but different households handle that in different ways.
This is what they SHOULD do. My lazy terrorist will wear the same thing for days, not brush his teeth, not shower, wouldn't so much as throw an item in the trash and just leave it wherever it fell, never do homework and just do whatever he wants. This is due to shit parenting not based on what the child is capable of doing. He used to get an allowance for doing chores but we stopped since he refuses to reliably do them.
SS12 has a daily chore, he
SS12 has a daily chore, he doesn't get paid for it. (For the record, SD9 has chores too). Like wildstang said, the chores are to teach them that everyone pitches in in a family. He sets an alarm to get up on his own in the morning, as does SD9. They both pack their own lunches. Does his homework at school or right after school- not doing it or needing to be babysat through the whole process is not really an option. My SO does not have patience for that and SS wouldn't really dare. He is expected to brush his teeth in the morning, and usually does it (probably because I'm there), but on wknds or breaks you need to make him do it or he won't. Showering is iffy, he usually needs to be told. He wouldn't have a problem wearing the same clothes repeatedly, but my SO doesn't let him. He does need to constantly be told to put on deodorant because he stinks. The showering/teeth thing seem to be pretty common on here for boys that age, unfortunately. Shudder.
It really seems to be common
It really seems to be common and I DO NOT get it. My SSs teeth are orange. I didn't even know teeth could be orange. He is such a disgusting human.
You are the one who mentioned
You are the one who mentioned that in a previous blog/comment, right?? When we took skids to Mall of America the other wknd, SS didn't bring his toothbrush with and it disgusted me. I was thinking about the kid whose teeth were orange. Soo gross! How does your DH not make him brush???
Ya I have mentioned it before
Ya I have mentioned it before. DH will try to remind him but when he is trying to get out the door in the a.m. he doesn't always remember because SS is already ready to go when he comes out. I have told him "then make fing time". He says he shouldn't have to stand over him but I said "Clearly you do". It really annoys the f out of me that he doesn't follow through on it. I told him we will never pay 1 red cent toward his dental problems that arise becuase of this. I don't care if he is screaming in pain becuase of the problems it has caused. His mother is supposed to handle dental so she can if something happens.
I had this conversation with
I had this conversation with DH before, several times. Once when OSD was around age 10-11. He actually said to me one time, in front of her when she was having a literal tantrum about teeth brushing, "It doesn't really matter!" - my answer was, "Ok, when she needs major dental work in the future, don't come to me for help."
He finally, when she was around 13, figured out she was outright lying to him about brushing her teeth (because her breath stank like nothing else and her teeth were YELLOW) - he looked at her new (6 mo old), dry & obviously unused toothbrush. He said to me "She's not five, what is the problem, I can't solve this!?" I said, "If she acts like five, treat her like she's five. Stand there and watch her brush. No phone, no internet access, etc..." Nope, that wasn't good either.
I never intervened.
SS has had the same tube of
SS has had the same tube of toothpaste and same handsoap since I moved in, over a year ago. Vomit.
Parents need to clearly
Parents need to clearly understand that they force their kids to brush now... or they will pay later. And pay a lot.
I took the stance of refusing to go out in public with SS when he was in the disgusting early teen boy years. He bathed, brushed, gargled and wore clean clothes or he did not go anywhere with me including out to dinner. I drove off and left him any number of times when he was struggling on clarity with this issue.
We won't be paying a cent! I
We won't be paying a cent! I hope he does loose his teeth. We have explained to him that the problems are almost guaranteed to come years later, when he is off our insurance, may not have any of his own (even if he does have health very likely not dental when you are broke and not spending on extras) and that even if he did have insurance it would only cover a portion. We explained that it would be VERY costly, in the thousands if not tens of thousands and beyond logically painful. He doesn't care. When kids at school make fun of him, he doesn't care. He said someone made fun of his teeth being so gross, so he brushed for like a day, then went back to not. Luckily his mom is legally on the hook for any and all dental including costs outside insurance. I hope she gets hit with a giant bill. When we take him to the dentist we flat out tell her to hurt him (within reason just a rough cleaning which I have had before too) and to terrify him any and every way she can "oh wow you are going to loose most of your teeth soon". He doesn't care. But really he doesn't care about anything at all. If we do get him to brush his teeth before bed he then goes and opens a coke right after. I just tell him "you have to be stupid if you don't get why this defeats the purpose". sigh.
There is absolutely nothing
There is absolutely nothing "normal" about a 12yo boy. Trust me. I used to be one.
My kids have always had
My kids have always had chores. I do not believe in allowance. We are a family unit and we work together to keep our home nice. I also am not big on chore charts- we do what needs to be done, when it needs to be done. I know that chore charts save other peoples sanitity, it just has never been my thing.
Between the 3 kids that live with us (keep in mind SSstb19 is really like a 12 yr old- disabilities) they are all responsible for:
My 11 and 13 yr old have been waking themselves up since they were little. SS18 stuggles with that, but it is expected of him! Same goes with personal hygiene. They are all expected to wash and brush daily!
IMHO chores are the
IMHO chores are the responsibility that kids have to contribute to the home. I dont think that kids should be paid for what htey should be doing as part of their age appropriate responsibilities to the home and family.
Major project stuff.. yep, they should get paid. Growing up that included tilling mom's garden, digging out the crawl space under the house to add storage space, decking in the attic, etc.....
Chores were mowing the yard, vacuuming, mopping, dusting, dishes, etc.....
A 12yo can mow the yard, do their laundry, dishes, etc.....
I agree, big things not apart
I agree, big things not apart of the norm are pay opportunities. However, sometimes the kids don't want that extra money and that's ok too. I have actually paid my son's friend because he didn't want to do something.
I have a 12 and 8 years old ,
I have a 12 and 8 years old , they take turns to do chores , dishes, trash, cleans up their room , sometimes we clean the house all together or work in the yard , they have their alarm set and wake up for school without being pushed. As for homework the 12 years old does on his own. SD is 11 she’s good with school work but she doesn’t do any chores and has to be pushed to brush teeth and showers like once a week at BM’s and here she’s not allowed to shower
1. Do your bios/steps have
1. Do your bios/steps have Regular chores that they are responsible for? Do you pay them?
OSD: never had chores, DH refused to give them. She was just magically supposed to grow up being responsible. Didn't happen. I tried giving small jobs to her around 11 - 13 yo, arrange potential baby-sitting, DH even founds some small money making things for her. She didn't want to do ANY of it. Not even $ is a motivator, why would it be if mommy/daddy provide all wants 100% of the time?
YSD: never had chores, DH resfused to give them. BUT she does things on her own - I like to think with some of my influence (she's always been more accepting of me and expectations/cleanliness than OSD). I have paid her at various times to do little things here and there. There's only been once she completely ignored the task - the latest one - so I'm going to come up with something again to see if she'll continue to do this. BUT - not even $ is a motivator, why would it be if mommy/daddy provide for all wants 100% of the time?
2. What Personal responsibilities are reasonable for children around 12 years old? Do they set an alarm to get up for school or do you still wake them up? Are they Independent doing homework unless they have a question or does an Parent have to remind them daily to do homework and sit with them Through the whole process? Do they shower/brush teeth Willingly or is it a fight to get them to do these things? Do they change their clothes during the weekend on their own or would they stay/sleep in the same clothes all weekend unless forced to change?
OSD: She did set her alarm. Although DH had to sometimes make sure she'd get up. There were times she'd forget. THen run out of the house like it was a race w/out locking the door. She'd be on her phone until well after midnight sometimes, but that was ignored by both DH/BM. She grew into showering around age 13-14, but before that she'd get into huge fights with DH about it. She did not brush her teeth unless forced to. She did not wash her face. She didn't do laundry or bedding or change clothing enough. She did not clean her room or help clean her shared bathroom (with her sister) but for one time when DH made her help. She would sleep in her clothes OR wear her one pair of PJs all weekend (from Friday night to Monday morning) - and never wash them. She stank a lot of the time.
YSD: She gets herself up and out on time. She bathes, washes, does her own laundry weekly (including PJs), keeps her room clean with a few exceptions here and there, cleans her bedding, brushes her teeth (she doesn't do it in the mornings but not my issue) in the evenings. She's even cleaned the entire kitchen a couple times on her own.
Luckily homework has never been an issue with either.
My SSs are twins, recently
My SSs are twins, recently turned 13.
At our house, they have no chores. They also wear the same clothes all weekend, unless they have a sporting event, although sometimes they will put on pajama pants because they like the ones we bought for them. I don't argue with them about changing clothes because they are only with us for the weekend and I really don't care that much. Their bathroom is stocked with toothbrushes and toothpaste, but I don't think they use it and I also don't care.
One SS likes to take baths, so he will take a bath when at our house. The other one doesn't wash himself unless DH tells him he stinks and he has to take a shower.
I used to think I had to take a mothering role to them, but then I decided it was not worth my time to nag kids who are not mine and therefore, don't think they need to listen.
I'm not sure what goes on at BM's house, but know that neither kid does homework with any regularity. Their current term ends this week and one has 12 missing assignments and the other has 7. DH used to call them daily to work on homework, but it became a drama fest with BM and also the kids would regularly tell him, "I don't have any homework", so he stopped doing so.
My SSs do not behave in a developmentally appropriate manner for their age, however. One regularly wets the bed (he told DH that he wets the bed a lot at BM's house). The other one regularly has crying, screaming tantrums over being told when to go to bed or when to not use his phone, etc.
Girl, I feel for you. I bet
Girl, I feel for you. I bet those are some stressful weekends. Does either dh or bm realize their kids are behind the curve? Have they done anything about the bed wetting??
Thanks, I appreciate that.
Thanks, I appreciate that. They are some stressful weekends, especially when combined with BM's penchant for using her children to cause further dram.a
I've asked DH about this. He supposedly talked to SS and SS told him that he wets the bed a lot at home.
I'm supposed to pretend I don't notice, because SS would be embarrassed, but my washing machine is regularly tied up on Saturday morning (prime laundry time for me), so I clearly know it's going on.
DH thinks it's weird, but doesn't seem overly concerned. I don't think BM does much about it. SS told DH once that he has pills he can take to keep him from wetting the bed, so I assumed she's talked about it with a doctor, but hasn't done much about it. This SS has always been anxious - was supposedly diagnosed with anxiety at age 4 - but has gotten no counseling or other treatment in the five years I've known him. That would be too much work for BM. She's probably also afraid of what the counselor might say, since she causes the most anxiety for SS. He always loses his mind when she calls because he feels like he has to please her.
The one thing I've required of DH is that he insists that SS go to the bathroom before going to bed and that he pushes the issue, even if SS tries to resist. I've also told him that he and SS are responsible for changing the sheets and he cannot allow SS to fall asleep on the bed, if the mattress protector and sheets have not been put back on the bed. In my view, a 13 year old should be able to do this on their own, but DH doesn't want to require that, so I hold him responsible.
I time SS we aren’t buying
I told SS we aren’t buying him more socks because he refuses to cut his toenails so they make holes in all of them. There are few more disgusting sights than 3 inch long toenails.
I call those Velociraptor
I call those Velociraptor toes. Toe nails freak me out. I don't know what it is but I keep mine and have trained my kids to keep them short. Shorter than the pedicure ladies will do!
Anyway, when I spot someone with long toe nails I call them Velociraptor toes and go "Click, Click, Click, Click" - like in the Jurssic Park movie- when the raptor is in the kitchen and taps it on the tile *ROFL* It works for my crew, they always go get clippers and get rid of the nasty nails!
Lol. I get the phobia and the
Lol. I get the phobia and the visual you set up is perfect.
As for toenails on me.... as a long time T-1 diabetic prone to ingrown toe nails I have to keep mine slightly long and cut straight across rather than curved. I have tried to use pediatrists as well as pedicurists but even the Docs screw it up... so I have to use straight nail scissors and keep them trimmed about once a month. Too short and I tend to get ingrown nails and infections.
After years and years of following the proven healthy model I will try something different and invariably end up with either an ingrown or a nick that can cause problems.
So, a raptor I shall remain.
I tell him it reminds me of
I tell him it reminds me of Leonardo DiCaprio when he plays Howard Hewes and locks himself away. His mother always has long toenails too. It’s so sickening to me. Husband is so clean and groomed I don’t get it. I once even asked him if her toes nails grossed him out and he said yes. It makes me physically ill. I keep mine as one would be given during a pedicure, short, clean. I actually do husbands too. He also has ingrown toenails bad that can cause him a lot of pain so I maintain his to avoid that. I also happen to always have groomed men I date. I’d give my ex little at home manicures since he was a mechanic and it was hard on his hands. I wouldn’t cut SSs for him if it was life or death though.
Reminds me of my dog when he
Reminds me of my dog when he hasn't been walked enough!
Click, click, click.
Time to visit the vet and get those claws clipped.
He behaves like a velociraptor at the vet!
I also have long toenail phobia!!!
I call them Wolverine claws!! I can't STAND long toenails. I'm also not thrilled about long hair on men either. Chef's toenails get long and nasty. I keep my toenails very short and fashionable with a gel polish pedi!!! I also wear toe rings in the summer.
Uhhh his hair was long for a
Uhhh his hair was long for a while. Dad didn't like it (22 years in the Air Force) but decided it was a battle he wouldn't fight. He then wanted to cut it into, well, a lesbian haircut. Since he couldn't express this to the barber he just ended up looking stupid. Husband is mad I won't put SSs last bday pic up in the house, he had hair down to his shoulders. He just looks so hideous I cannot stand to do it.
My son is almost 12 and he
My son is almost 12 and he gets himself up dressed and to school on his own every day. Most days he gets his own breakfast and sometimes remembers to put the milk away. I still remind about teeth brushing as matter of my night time routine so I don't know if he'd do it on his own or not. My guess is not 100%. But it's not a struggle. He must be told to bathe. He will definitely wear the same clothes for a whole weekend - but I will, too! If his fave shirt is dirty he will protest changing. I still have to ask if he has homework and prompt starting. It depends on the subject how much I have to sit with him. My SS is almost 13 and he will remember his homework a bit better. He needs help in different subjects than my son does, but no one has to sit with him (but we did last year) unless it's a topic where he has lots of questions. He's not as good at getting fully dressed for school. He's much better about changing clothes at weekend. He's a more forgetful person in general, but he's naturally more absent minded. We do 100% of sports kit preparation for all 3 boys. SS 10 is better than both of them about bathing, but he still needs to be told. However, he cannot wash his hair on his own yet.
They have some chores and they just automatically do them, but they don't have enough chores. That is our fault, not theirs. We need some new ones.
ETA: BM is an over-involved tiger mom so we don't worry about kid's homework when they aren't here and they have more chores at hers than they do at ours. My son once complained that when he is on his own here he has to do the whole of the after dinner chore whereas when SSs are here it's split. I told him I would be more than happy to give him the same amount of chores that they were doing at BM's if he would prefer. He shut up about it. My ex on the other hand runs a slackerville and usually no homework is done on his 3 days a week.
Wow to not washing his own
Wow to not washing his own hair. No way I’d get in there to wash a 10 year olds hair.
Well, no one asks me to do it
Well, no one asks me to do it so I don't. If it needs doing, SO does it. I'm sure I do lots of stuff for my son that I don't NEED to do. SO knows it's whack. He'll figure it out. I think it's to do with fear of getting soap in his eyes.
I’d be taking my kid to a
I’d be taking my kid to a therapist. Most 10 year olds don’t want dad seeing them nude.
I"d be taking him
to an automatic car wash.
I was told by a step daddy big bucks type
Who had married a GUBM, no children of his own of course, that on visitation neither the non-custodial parent nor SM should not make any rules or chores for the children because after all it is just visitation. He actually said that to me!!!!!
Sounds like my MIL who told
Sounds like my MIL who told me that DH should be entertaining the children constantly when they are at our house because he just needs to realize that he’s “a weekend dad”.
Almost three years ago, MIL opened up a conversation about BM and I said something about how BM needed to realize that DH was the dad, not a babysitter or weekend dad. Consequently, I was particularly annoyed at MIL for using that phrase.
I have two boys in the house
I have two boys in the house and my BS is closest in age - my son is 13. It probably helps that he only lives with me so expectations are consistent, because so many of the habits of these kids mentioned above would drive me bonkers.
1. So... BS does have regular chores around the house and no, he isn't paid for them. He does have an allowance but it is not connected to what I expect him to do around the house. Normally, he has to thoroughly clean his bedroom once a week - from vaccuuming to linen changes. He also has to clean a bathroom once a week he shares with SS. There is no problems with his chores. Both SS18 and BS cook togeher twice a week and have kitchen clean up twice a week - when I say cook I mean cook: I don't eat rubbish, microwave dinners or things out of boxes or packets.
2. BS gets himself up with an alarm clock and is washed and dressed before breakfast which I make every morning. I have no problem with any of his personal hygiene - he brushes his teeth twice a day as a matter of habit since he was 6 and takes a shower at least once a day. In the summer if he has been swimming, I may need to remind him to wash his hair again even if he washed it in the morning, but that is the sum total of getting him clean... He never baths, always, showers and it is usually shortly after dinner. He does his homework on his own, if he does have a problem he will ask me to help him but it is the odd occassion. He is quite an independent child who requires very little checking up on.
The one thing that he does do, which is understandable is that he generates mountains of washing or laundry... So there is no problem with him wearing the same clothes. He can go through 3 sets of clothes on one day: school uniform, sport clothes, casual clothes (civvies) for when back from school. Normally it is 3 or 4 sets of PJs a week, 5 sets of school uniforms (shirts and trousers), the odd jersey (blazers go for dry cleaning once a month), 5 sets of clothes he has changed into after school... and if the weather is variable as it can be at the coast, there could be two layers of clothes on one day... So people whose kids wear the same thing are lucky to me. My son goes through heaps of clothing in a week.
My 11 year old bio DD sets
My 11 year old bio DD sets her phone alarm and wakes herself in the mornings. She gets herself ready and is on time for us to leave. I still do have to force the showering and general cleanliness she has a 14 and 16 year old sister....they were the same way until about the age of 12. Then it all changed...daily showers without me saying a word...routine tooth brushing and just an overall caring for appearance. Chores......she helps when asked but no set chores.