Who gets the largest room?
Help. My husband and I are building a new house. We are a blended family and we need more space. I have two boys ages 10 and 12 that live with us full time. Their father passed away 4 years ago. My husband has three children but two of them are adults ages 23 and 21. The youngest is 17 and he visits a us every other weekend and two weeks in the Summer. He will be going to college next year and more than likely living on campus.
We are building a house so we have enough room for the 17 year old when he comes to visit and also for more parking space and living space. My question is who gets the largest of the bedrooms? The kids that live there full time or the 17 year old because he’s the oldest? I am trying to be fair and unbiased.
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Your oldest kid gets it, he
Your oldest kid gets it, he is younger (will need the room longer) and lives there full-time. The 17-year-old is only an EOWE visitor, and probably won't keep that up once he goes to college.
Please don't tell me your DH is insisting that his son get the biggest bedroom. This one is a no-brainer.
Who gets the largest room
Thank you! I thought it was a no brainer. No the DH isn’t saying no but thinks I’m not being open to other ideas.
HI
Very sorry about your first DH passing away. Need more information. IMHO, generally kids are not bent out of shape over size of bedrooms, unless there is a BIG difference. I would ask, will 23 or 21 be visiting, is 21 in college. If 23 or 21 will be visiting at times, you may want 17YO to be in room large enough that you can put two twin beds.
If the house is mostly for your kids, you may want to consider separate fiances, if you are not doing that already.
Let's keep the biggest room
Let's keep the biggest room empty, just in case the older kids visit. That makes zero sense.
Visitors can sleep on the couch if there is not a guest room. Or the two younger kids can bunk together for a night while their step-sibling sleeps in their room.
OK, then take cost of housing
And have OP pay most of it. He is using 1/2 of one bedroom, she is using 2.5, right?
ETA - OOPs I forgot, the mantra on Steptalk is the separate finances are ONLY appropriate if DAD uses more resources
I knew you were going to get
I knew you were going to get to money. Why don't you ask her if her kids get survivor benefits and how much she pays for everything? That's where you usually go.
If her husband is such a douchebag that he wants the biggest room left open for his adult children, just to be "fair" monetarily, then she's got bigger problems than who goes in what bedroom.
His kids are grown, hers are not. It's as simple as that, it has nothing to do with finances. Do you and your DH divide your financial contribution based on the square footage of the house and who uses how much?
And yes, if she has more kids in the home than he does, it might make sense for her to contribute more towards the resources they use, like food and utilities, but that has nothing to do with SPACE.
I assume her kids do get survivor benefits
But it sounds like they need the bigger house for HER kids, not so much his. I get it, that on ST, people only demand that money be seperated when DAD uses more resources.
When OP lists her reasons for
When OP lists her reasons for building a bigger house the very first one is about having space for SS17 ...
So what?
But she wants the two bigger rooms for her kids. So her kids get more space. Actually, even if her SS got the bigger room, it would be likely that her kids will get more space than his kids.
I would like to know more, will the rooms for her kids have room for a bed, chest, desk and a closet? How much bigger is this big room? Access to bathroom? What is the plan if dad's older kids want to visit? Couch, as Tog suggests.
So what? You said she was
So what? You said she was building the bigger house for her kids, I was simply informing you that’s not what OP stated at all.
Regardless, her kids should have “more space” ... they live there full time. It would drive me crazy if my daily life was crammed while I had empty space sitting around unused.
I think it’s pretty safe to assume that since they are building a new house the room sizes will be fairly decent. I don’t think we are comparing some 20x20 room with an ensuite to a broom cupboard.
I agree with this
"I don’t think we are comparing some 20x20 room with an ensuite to a broom cupboard." So I really wish OP would come back and give more detail, but I do not think there is anyone getting crammed in.
And think there would be more important considerations. I would want younger kids near master, not near a door. Would try to even out bathroom usage.
No matter the actual sizes, I
No matter the actual sizes, I would be of the opinion that full time children have the larger rooms.
But I do agree that there could be more important considerations.
Here we gave skids the largest room with an ensuite. For two reasons .. 1) I didn’t want to live in the basement 2) I wanted our room to be next to our three year olds
Actually another reason was I couldn’t stand sharing a bathroom with skids .... they are gross. So even if they are upstairs they are only allowed to use their bathroom.... but that’s what happens when you repeatedly pee on toilet seats.
But when skids move out and BS is older I do plan on letting him have that room. Then BS’s room can be a guest room and the playroom will be a craft/computer room ... or a whatever I want it to be room.
If my SS19 wanted to stay the
If my SS19 wanted to stay the night at our house, he would be on the couch, or in his twin childhood bed, and now he's 6'2 and over 200 lbs. We didn't keep a room for him, or replace the bed in case he "visits". We used the space how we want to.
He's living elsewhere, he's now a guest in our home.
What the hell are you so hung
What the hell are you so hung up on here? We advise that people split finances when THEY come on here complaining about their partner spending too much on his skids. If the OP's DH was on here complaining about that, we would say the same thing.
She's asking who should get the bigger bedroom, not talking about finances. When her DH logs in and complains that he's supporting her kids and she wants the bigger room, then you can make your illogical argument.
Benefits are irrelevant. My
Benefits are irrelevant. My husband is far from a douchbag. He’s has sold his large home in the country to be with us and build us anew larger home inthe city where we are closer to work and school. All of my money and his money is our money. I assure you, he has enough as well as I do. It’s not about money.
Who gets the largest room?
No the 21 and 23 don’t need a room. They are in college and will not be loving home after. Yes there is size difference and trust me the 12 year old full time and the 10 year old are aware of the difference. We tried to change the floor plan but we can make change the sizes anymore than we have.
Do the older kids ever visit their dad now? Does he want them
to visit? So are you saying that you guys orriginally designed/bought the house with no plan at all for the 17YO? That it was a game room?
You say his kids are nice, that is good. But I am questioning how nice you are to them.
I'm sure he wants his oldest
I'm sure he wants his oldest kids to visit, should they have their own rooms too?? I love how now that the money aspect of this conversation has been settled by OP, you're clutching your pearls at the idea that kids who don't live with them currently, and one who'll be moving out very soon don't have the space YOU think is appropriate, so now OP must be an evil SM who isn't nice to her skids.
The only way OP could appease you is if she let her DH's kids have the biggest rooms & her kids, who live there full time, 100% of the time considering their father passed away, lived in the smallest rooms together. Likely because you're thinking of what you'd want for YOUR kids in this situation, and you'd be telling your DH to 'stick it' (your words from a previous yet similar conversation). Amazing projection.
No. We are building a house
No. We are building a house and with 4 bedrooms.
I'd think carefully about how
I'd think carefully about how often the 17 year old will visit in the future. EOW won't happen. What is the holiday schedule now? Do you think that it will continue? Will he continue the two summer weeks? Or will jobs and internships preclude visits?
Also DH has two older kids. What happened when they turned 18 or went off to college? Will this be what the 17 year old does? Do they visit? What are the arrangements for them?
Well, Tog
Thinks they should sleep on the couch, but dad should still pay half of the house (but she does say OP should pay more utilities, woop de do)
And if all 3 boys want to go to mom's for holidays
Becuase there is only room for one, other than on the couch, and they want to be together, some here will blame on PAS
People who don't live in the
People who don't live in the home anymore don't get a shrine bedroom left open for them, while the kids who do live there cram together. Yep, that's what I'm saying.
You are the only one who brought up alienation. Why are you so obsessed with it?
What makes you think the younger ones are crammed together?
Has OP even said how much smaller these rooms are? they say they are building a house, why in the world would they build bedrooms that would not accomodate bed, desk, chair, chest and closet.
The larger room mght be able to accomodate all of the kids visiting. I would not even want 21YO sleeping on a couch in a public area if I could avoid.
I mention PAS becuase some people think any time dad's kids do not visit him, it is the result of mom PASing, not that dad has done a think that might have created any issue.
As pp pointed out, OP starts off saying the house is being built to accomodate the SS17. She apparently takes it as a given that any house must accomodate her kids, which I agree with, but she says also she wants to be fair. But his kid is the marginal/otional one (and the older ones even more so).
ETA -- I never said to leave larger room as a shrine. It can be a guest room when none of the SSs are there. Have two twin beds and have dad work with SS on leaving part of closet and chest empty when not there.
The older kids have a place
The older kids have a place of their own. They visit but have their own home/apartment
The oldest of the kids who
The oldest of the kids who live there full time should get the biggest room.
I would give the largest
I would give the largest rooms to the full time kids.
We just moved at Christmas and have four bedrooms. Skids share the largest room, with its own bathroom. BS has his room and a play room. Skids bedroom is even larger than ours but I did not want to be in the basement.
Youngest SS hardly visits so in no way was I going to have a room sit basically empty, especially when I’m at home with BS.
Are your kids sharing, or
Are your kids sharing, or will each of the 3 boys have his own room? How big is the difference between rooms? I doubt I'd put the kid who is there EOWE and probably not even that much in a year or two in the biggest room absent some good reason to do so (such as that room being on a different floor). In my family it was never a thing that the oldest got bigger or better things than the others, so that reason for giving the SS the biggest room holds no weight with me. But I wouldn't build a house with such a disparity in secondary bedrooms that it could cause a problem, either.
Oldest will have own room.
Oldest will have own room. There are three bedrooms upstairs. We are changing the upstairs floor plan and adding a third bedroom upstairs instead of a game room. I think the game room has 225 sq ft and the other rooms have approx 180.
The parents
Should obviously get the largest master bedroom followed by the 12 year old and the 10-year old should get the same size bedroom as the guest bedroom which would be for guests and the 17 year old skid. Assuming this is a 4 bedroom house.
We don’t refer to him has a
We don’t refer to him has a guest. He is always welcome. He currently sleeps in the10 yo room when he visits and the 10 yo sleeps with his 12 yo brother. The boys are getting to old to share and need their own space. We are fortunate to be able to build. I knew this was a no brainer but need to see it in writing.
The 17 yo is never there
Your oldes bio gets the biggest bedroom. He is using it more.
It's your house, so it's your
It's your house, so it's your call. I say do what makes sense and works for the adults.
But...there is another approach...one that leverages social/group pressure to maybe get the result you want without you having to be the bad guy to make the call.
See, if someone offered me half a pie, I'd take it. But if they offered me half a pie and then told me 12 other people would have to share the other half, I could never take the half that's being offered to me. I'd feel guilty and my sense of practicality and fairness would overrule my stomach. I probably wouldn't even end up with one damn bite because I'd feel so guilty taking my part, let alone HALF THE DAMN PIE!
If your 17yo is mature enough, why not explain the pickle you're in deciding room assignments. Give him the fairness argument (he's oldest so he should get his choice) versus the practical one (but full-time kids would get more use out of the larger space than he would) -- and tell him and the other kids you're going to abide by his decision. Now he will be the bad guy...or the good guy, depending on how he chooses.
This way, if he ends up in the smaller room, it was HIS decision to give it up, not yours. But if he wants that bigger room in spite of what makes sense, make him say that and own it. That alone might guilt him into choosing the smaller room. But it will be HIS call to be greedy or gracious and in the end and you won't be the bad guy.
Either way, the younger kids will know this was 17yo's decision, so it will be on him to choose what's good for "the community" versus what's good for himself. If he chooses the bigger room, well, you were already considering giving him the larger room anyway, so nothing lost. But this way, you can tell the family it was 17yo's decision because he's oldest and he chose the larger room. Let the kids read the rest into it...you know they will!
The 17 yo is not in charge
The 17 yo is not in charge and neither are the younger boys. I don’t want the kids to think they make the decisions. I know how to handle it now. Just wanted some different perspectives. Thanks.
Hmmm
i guess my first question is what are the living arrangements now? Who’s home do you all live in? What will happen to the home you have now?
Is your current home where your kids grew up? If so, that’s a pretty big sacrifice to ask of them just to accommodate an EOWE visitor. First they lose their dad then they lose “home”?
No.
My husband and my two boys live in a house I bought after their dad died. The 17 yo visits EOWE. My husband recently sold his (so the kids would have to change schools) and moved in with us and now we are building a “family” home large enough for everyone. It will be “ours” not his or mine.
How about having a rule that
How about having a rule that the oldest kid gets the biggest room until he goes off to college? Then during school breaks, the college kid gets one of the other rooms.
That way SS has the largest room for one year. When he leaves for school, the 12 year old moves into that room.
The kid who lives their full
The kid who lives their full time
Simple
I agree
It is amazing what people
It is amazing what people fight about here.
Anyway, if it were me, I would simply base it on which children live there the most. Disregarding relation to you or your DH, simply on who is there the most. So I would give the 17 year old, who is there the least, the smallest room. It makes no sense to have one of the larger rooms sat empty and unused majority of the year.
Before anyone goes nuts on this (basing it on age and relation) - I would do the same in my situation. SS16 would get the bigger room as he lives with us full-time. My own DS18 would get the smallest as he's only her a few weeks out of the year.
I wish OP would come back with more facts
IME, kids rarely care about size of room, most are happy with their own room. Unless one room is twice the size of the others, I would be more concerned with wether furniture fits, and would like extra beds for older kids to visit.
Cookies, stop being so dang
Cookies, stop being so dang logical. You know it's about who pays how much, and whether or not a poor COD will feel abandoned at 17 if Daddeee doesn't keep his room a shrine, even though he visits every other weekend and is off to college.
Stop applying common sense, that's not welcome here.
For a few of the poo stirrers
For a few of the poo stirrers, logic doesn't fuel their combative mode. Can't be bothered with all of that.
Suprised no one has suggested
Suprised no one has suggested this yet but, if you are building the house then why not just make sure all the rooms are the same size? - There is probably some reason for differnet sized rooms, but it might be worth asking the question if it would be possible.
There are also other factors in play than the size of a room. The location of the room can also be important and may be more important to the kids than size. Is there a room that is away from the other bedrooms or that could have a separate entrance to the house that an older child might prize more. (No one wants to bring their girl/boy-friend home and share a joining wall with their parents or the living room).
If you cannot build equal sized rooms then, I would offer up the discussion to the children. At the end of the day it makes little difference to you practically as to who has which room, and they may be able to come up with a solution between themselves that suits them all and saves you the stress.
I am sure there are factors that you care about more when designing and building your own home. Focus on those and not irrelevant factors such as these. Remember also that the decision that you all come to is also not binding and if things do not work out the kids can move around at a later date.
we tried
to change the plans but we having trouble with the upstairs rooms. It not that easy.
The oldest child that lives
The oldest child that lives there full time.
I mean really we complain all
I mean really we complain all the time here that skids are catered to. YET when a (what should be) simple room assignment question comes up...BOOM!! End of the logical world that usually exists here. What in the world??? When did kids become so precious that we have to first try and ask for the exact same size room?! THEN if that can't happen then there's finances, feelings, logistics, size of the moon, blood relations, adults careers, ebb and flow of the ocean, school schedules and the Earth's rotation to take into consideration?!!!
When did small things become impossible things? The size of the bedroom and home makes no difference to one's life. It is the stability of the family/home environment, support, love, kindness and overall healthy environment that has the greatest impact. The fact that your childhood bedroom was 8x9 or 14x16 will not make one blind bit of flipping difference.
Gawd sakes!
When people started making
When people started making children the center of their universe. And look what happened - now we have them still living at home in their 30s, in their perfectly sized bedrooms.
I had to share a room with my sister for years, and it's never once caused a need for therapy. But then again, I came from the "suck it up and deal with it years", not the "let's try to change the house so tog's fee-fees aren't hurt" years.
Get off my lawn.
I ended up having the master
I ended up having the master bedroom, my brother had the smallest room for his entire life in the childhood home. Now, we lived in a 1,000 square foot ranch home. Saying I had the biggest room wasn't like I had this gigantic space by any means.
We both ended up in abusive relationships. Biggest room me and smallest room brother. I ended mine after 16 years and I think my brother's too frightened to do so, he's going on 17 years.
Room size meant nothing. I never tell a story saying I had the biggest room and he had the smallest neener neener neener hahaha. What I vividly remember is we rocked ourselves to sleep. Parents were always home but didn't get much attention. It was always be quiet, go play, go away, go outside. I remember no food in the house. I remember what little food we had in the fridge was so rotten it smelled the entire house up - with the fridge door shut.
I remember my mother always sleeping. I remember the house being filthy and we had 2 labradors. The sliding door was smudged with dog nose and general never being washed filth. I remember one of the dogs pooping on the carpet and it was never cleaned up. I remember green sprouts growing through the dining room carpet as bird seed fell from the 3 cages hanging above. The carpet was never vacuumed + leaking water tank behind the wall = sprouts in the carpet.
I remember the tension from a failing marriage and two people sticking together "for the children", making an already miserable environment even more unhealthy.
Never in all mine or my brother's story telling do we ever get into a heated arguement filled with resentment over the size difference over our bedrooms. We always wished we had some resemblance of a normal childhood. Where our parents would spend just a bit of time with us and the house never reaked from filth and there was food and I didn't get picked on because I only had 2 pairs of pants to wear to school.
Give me a damn break people. F*cking bedroom sizes mean zero and you all know it. A couple of you are just being screen warriors. Besides, straws are unhealthy for the environment anyways.
The question is which kid gets catered to
One kid WILL get the bigger room. OP is deterimined it will be one of hers. Her DH wanted to draw straws.
And supposing they did draw
And supposing they did draw straws and OP won, I wonder what he'd come up with next? The best of three?
Drawing straws is ridiculous.
Drawing straws is ridiculous. The 17 yo has a room at his moms house, I don't care if that makes you cringe. It's a fact, he already has a room somewhere else. He's going off to college soon, giving him the biggest room makes zero sense.
It's a freaking bedroom for crying out loud. This conversation is ridiculous.
He's there 4 nights a month,
He's there 4 nights a month, the other kid is there 30 nights a month. How does it make any sense to give the 4-nighter the better bedroom?
It makes zero sense. This
It makes zero sense. This conversation is a trainwreck. I'm having trouble looking away, because I honestly can't comprehend the stupidity of the arguments coming from 2 of these posters keyboards. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.
Here's the thing- in divorce,
Here's the thing- in divorce, where mom gets custody, dad pays child support to help support the full time home-that's the reality. So mom has the bigger house and responsbilities so the kids full time home and bedroom will be in that home.
Most of the times dads aren't left w/much to also support a full time room/home for a 4 time a week visitor-much less when they are 17 and getting ready to reduce that time even further.
I agree. It helps to know
I agree. It helps to know there are others that feel the same.
No visitor status
He will have his own room.
OP, there are only two
OP, there are only two posters in this thread who aren't agreeing with the rest of us that your oldest should get the better room, because he's there 24/7/365 to your stepson's 4 nights a month.
The two posters who don't agree - one is not a stepparent, and the other is known for taking the contrary position from what everyone else thinks is logical.
I don't really understand why your DH can't tell his son that it doesn't make sense for him to get the bigger room, but that you are building the house so he can have his own room, even it's smaller, and no longer have to push the 10 yo out of his room.
Stand firm with DH, your argument is the logical one. Your SS17 will have his own room and it will still be his room when he goes to college.
And many people here openly hate their stepkids
Post on a general board for moms and most people will care about the older kid too
I thought this a place for
I thought this a place for stepparents to vent?
Oh wait, it is.......
I was replying to Tog, who said I was minority opinion
My reply was meant to say if you polled an unbiased group, you would likely get different answers. Of course people can vent, but OP wanted advice, but apparently only wants to hear one side.
The vast majority of people
The vast majority of people responded have sided with OP. Only 2 of you have disagreed, and one of you isn't even a SM. You're entitled to your opinion, but if this was a vote it would be a landslide in favour of what OP is presenting to her DH as fair.
This is a matter of logistics, no matter how hard you try to twist it into something it's not.
Oh yeah, a forum full of bms
Oh yeah, a forum full of bms would totally be "unbiased." LOL
Plus, I'm confused - many of
Plus, I'm confused - many of you ARE bio mothers. ? And you are agreeing with the OP, who is in fact, a bio mother. So what is she talking about?
God knows. What I love about
God knows. What I love about her argument is she no doubt would want her kids to have the bigger rooms if this was a convo between her & her DH. She’s said point blank she’d tell her DH to ‘stick it’ if he didn’t agree to something she wanted, yet thinks OP should give in & let her SS have the bigger room because he’s the oldest. STarounds kids are older than her DH’s, so you can see why she thinks the older kids should get the bigger & better over the younger ones. Such a laugh.
Yes, I don't get it either.
Yes, I don't get it either. She has said before that if her adult kids wanted to move in and he said no, she'd let them move in anyway, so WTF?
I think she just likes to argue.
You mean - we are biased
You mean - we are biased because we don't agree with you? Even though many of the women posting on this board are bio mothers themselves? They don't count, even though they are both bio mothers and stepmothers, like you supposedly are.
OP herself is, in fact, both a bio mother and a stepmother, but her opinion is wrong to you, yet you think a DIFFERENT board of bio mothers will agree with you. Bio mothers who are not stepmothers, I assume.
How do you keep your contradictory opinions straight?
Okay... SO my two bits. I
Okay... SO my two bits. I love my Skids. Care for them. Want what's best for them. I'm not planning on a bio right now either. So take that out of the equation.
If we were ever in a similar situation, where the skids only visited every other weekend, I'd still make sure they had a room, BUT it wouldn't be the largest one, chances are since we'd just have visitiation, they'd have fewer things to store, really wouldn't be spending much time there, and in general it wouldn't matter. Whereas, if there was a larger room that I wanted to use for an at home gym, I'd use that daily, and it would need the space. As the one using the room the majority of the time, I get the bigger room. Whereas the skids, who are members of the family, wouldn't be using them as often, or with as much stuff, and would still have rooms, just the smaller ones. Should they go back to full time with us, then we may re-evaluate. But logically, those with more things and who spend more time there, get the larger room.
As kids grow older, needs change. When I left for college, I got booted to the smallest room in the house. I didn't need the bigger room, because I did come, I was still part of the family, but my stuff was elsewhere and I didn't need the extra space, and I wasn't there often. Simple facts. Whereas my younger siblings, got the big rooms, because they were there full-time, and ALL their stuff was there.
It's not that the older kid isn't cared for, it's that logically, it makes more sense, at this time, for the other kids to have the larger room.
Agreed.
Thank you. My DH will have the conversation with our 17 yr old.
So far this issue seems to
So far this issue seems to only be an issue for the OP and her husband. We have not heard any indication that any of the children have a preference as to which room they get. As everyone pointed out the kids will all be fine in which ever room they end up in, so it really is just a case of the OP and her husband agreeing on something and this not becoming an issue to cause arguments between them. Any method of assigning rooms that achieves this is a good solution.
If you are building a home..
If you are building a home.. is there a way that the secondary rooms (not the master) could be similarly sized? Also coming into play.. what is the arrangement of bathrooms etc.. a smaller room with it's own attached bath is more "valuable" than a larger plain vanilla room. Are the rooms dramatically different in size? maybe is there a location that would be preferred.. even if it were a smaller room?
There are lots of factors. Theoretically... if no one is having to share the rooms.. I would tend to give the older full time kid a room of their own that is biggest and then work my way down with the part time resident having a smaller room. They don't have as much "stuff" if they are just there part time.
Honestly I'm more concerned
Honestly I'm more concerned that this dream house has an open concept, a designated office space and a place for the kids to "hang out", oh and a specific room just for guests!
I've seen enough house hunters, love it or list it, etc. to know what you need to think of re-sale wise! Also please please please tell me that you are a work from home holistic cat healer and that your DH drives a bus for public transit and your budget is 2.5 million!
Sorry to be so toungue in cheek but I think we all needed a break.
OP has commented that the
OP has commented that the decision has been made since her original post. I totally agree with her and I probably would have LOL’d if my DH suggested drawing straws.
My EOWE SD13 has the bigger of their rooms at our house, but it was just her, DH, and me when we moved in. We made sure that her room felt like her’s - painted her fav colors, let her pick out bedding, I even bought the bed! Her room is the most redone room in the house! She did know that her room had the potential to be used when guests (older sibs and relatives) came to visit, which isn’t very often. But that would have happened whether she was with us all the time or EOWE. As much as we’ve tried to make this feel like her room and her house, she still treats it as if she’s a guest. DH and I have a 3yo and now one on the way. SD asked if she’d have to switch to the smaller room. We don’t have plans for that right now but when she’s ready to go off to college, we’ll probably make the switch so the 2 younger ones share and she’ll still have her own (but smaller) room.
And I will say, has anyone’s parents turned their room into a study, spare room, workout room, or sewing room the minute they left for college? My mom and stepdad didn’t, but I will say that I don’t think I fully unpacked when mom and I moved in with stepdad. Some of my stepsister’s stuff was still there (she’s older and wasn’t living there anymore) which we slowly moved elsewhere.