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ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

So I'm sure everyone is SOOOOO surprised because we were obviously the perfect couple (sarcasm).  DH and I are seperated for the time being. Myself and my two furbabies (DH kept his) moved out last night for an indeterminite amount of time. 

Back-tracking to things I never posted about (we'll do cliffnotes)

  • DH cheated on me.  Had an affair. I decided to stay and try and work through things since he came clean to me. This happened Last December. December 30th, I'll obviously never forget that date...
    • I know. Should have left for cheating, but I stayed for me.  I had to say I had done all I could... There were a lot of factors, shitty VA pills, sheer stupidity, none of which are excuses, and if HE hadn't been the one to come clean to me, I wouldn't have thought twice.  He came clean, I went through the phone, great "fun."  (still wanna punch the b**** in the face. I actually did punch him in the face, pure reaction. My bad. Thankfully I realized and slowed down some, so while it hurt and still hit him, nothing permanant... I felt bad...)
  • DH did not understand why I wasn't just magically over said affair
  • Things continued
  • My mental health declined
  • DH's frustration inclined.
  • DH did not follow through on things.
  • I brought them up.
  • DH got mad
  • I tried to leave for a weekend
  • DH got pissy
  • I came back after 7 hours.
  • We fought for like 2 days
  • I explained I couldn't live like that,  packed a bag, and now live with a coworker.
  • We did talk some (lots, like 12 hours) before I left.  I explained I needed to heal and could not do so remaining in the environment that was home life, explained my expectations, promises he "forgot" to keep, letting his family push us around, etc.  Explained I have to see consistency and change.  That the issue was NOT just the affair (though let's be real. That's reason enough).  There's a lot more. Including, but not limited to:
    • Not supporting my goals and dreams
    • Changing his mind without consulting me
    • Letting his ex push him around, i.e. never holding her responsible for ANYTHING
    • Not listening to me
    • Telling me to just "stop feeling that way" when something is wrong
    • Telling me that "maybe it's just too much" when I'm struggling, thereby making me feel weak
    • Expecting me to do far too much with basically ZERO help

So effectively, he's taking care of the skids alone, I am with my furbabies at coworker's house. (thank goodness they had a spare room and are cool with furbabies).  And we're going from there.  IDK when or if I go back.... But today he called and has an appointment with DHR tomorrow to report the unpaid CS against Psycho, called the VA and is working on getting us couple's counseling (which I asked for ages ago).  So I see positives, but I'm not holding my breathe.  And I ABSOLUTELY am not going back unless I see these things fixed. And he doesn't have forever. Already talked to a lawyer friend who said just to let them know and that it should be cut and dry since we didn't finance anything together, no shared bank accounts, kids, etc.  And if I get even a HINT of things starting again I'm gone, and once I'm out out, I'm out out for good.

So there's my "fun" little chaotic update.

Shok

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SteppedOut's picture

Oft. Wow, I am so sorry! The freaking nerve of him to cheat (and all the other stuff!)! You have done SO MUCH for him AND his girls! 

I am glad you had the strength to leave... it IS a hard step to make.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

PA, you are an absolute gem of a woman. If it weren't for you, those girls would still be with Psycho and your DH would likely still be living with his parents (sleeping on the floor) and floundering. You have gone above and beyond time after time because you are warm, loving, and genuine. Whatever the outcome, you will come through this, shining like the gem you are.

I'm here for you, hon. {{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}

advice.only2's picture

Damn PA I'm so sorry! You always seemed so on top of it all! We all agreed he was being a whiny man child, but now cheating?

I know you are a strong person and will be okay whatever the outcome. Just be strong in your convictions and do not waver on what you chose as your boundaries!

I hope for his sake he wises up and realizes what he's losing in you as a partner. Keep that in mind when you guys are in counseling...where are you at as partners, not as the person whose been raising his damn kids for him.

CLove's picture

I do hope that you dont go back, but if you do, I understand that too.

Sending healing hugs from hot and sunny california, with a little salt water added.

Merry's picture

Damn. I'm sorry.

I survived cheating. (Emotional, but I almost wish it were physical. But that's a story for another time.) After LOTS of anguish, DH and I committed to the marriage. We both found therapists for us as individuals, but didn't do couples' counseling, and I'm sorry about that now. We needed both. I spent two years with my therapist to learn how to set boundaries, accept that I had zero to do with the affair (I'm normally a strong confident person, but went way off the rails over this), and work on my OWN happiness. I strongly recommend that you find a therapist for yourself too.

Anyway, it's been, what, four years? We're happy but things are forever changed and I still have (and probably always will have) PTSD-type flashbacks. But it's no longer every two minutes. More like every two weeks or months. There will always be triggers.

It's IMPOSSIBLE for you to just "move on." That he expects it is hugely immature and selfish (but it's also common). He'd just like you to stop talking about it and go back to "normal." Take it from me, there is no longer anything remotely like "normal." That has to be created all over again. He MUST be willing to talk about it with you, answer even your most difficult questions, and he must be willing to do that whenever you need him to so that YOU heal. If he won't do that, he doesn't care about your healing -- just his own guilt and shame.

Reconciling after an affair takes a huge amount of work and patience, and it takes a long time. Both of you have to be willing to do the work. Lots of marriages survive infidelity, but many more don't.

Add all the step nonsense on top of that and, honey, damn.

ndc's picture

PA, your DUH is a complete idiot. How does he not appreciate the best thing to happen to him?  Be good to yourself. It sounds like you're not going to settle for his too little too late attempts to do the things you've been begging for for ages. Stick to your guns and make sure there is real, continuing change before you consider going back.  Remember, you are a PRIZE and can do a lot better than him. He is immature, lazy and has a ton of baggage.  You are in control of what you do here. Make your decisions selfishly, based solely on your needs. Your needs have been pushed to the side for too long - you need to be the priority now. ((((HUGS))))

NoWireCoatHangarsEVER's picture

I found www.chumplady.org to be a great resource for me when I was recovering from infidelity . Do you know what a prize you are? You are loyal and hardworking and he so messed up . I wouldn’t take him back if I were you . You deserve and can get a partner that truely is there for you . 

StepUltimate's picture

Glad you linked to that site! It's a VERY supportive community...

Where trolls get crushed by the MIGHTY!

Biggrin

 

tog redux's picture

Wow, I had no idea you were close to separation. What an idiot, how many women does he think he can find who will take on care of his kids?

And speaking of that, I hope if you go back, you will put most of the burden on him in terms of caring for the kids and dealing with psycho and her family.

justmakingthebest's picture

My mind is just blown! I am so sorry. You have done everything for him for so long, I can't believe it. What a dick move.

One thing is for sure, you are a strong, independent and fully capable woman!! Whatever you decide, YOU are going to do great things. 

queensway's picture

Please do not beat yourself up for staying and wanting to work things out. This just shows you are a person who did what you felt was best for all at that time. That must have been hard to do and for that you are a strong woman. Sometimes in life things happen that are heartbreaking. It takes our breath away and we don't know which way to turn. So all you can do is what works best for you. Never think you are being selfish for taking care of your needs. Right now you need to learn to be your own best friend. Use this time to sort things out in your head...not your heart. Realize your self-worth. And know that you are loved by many people in this world. Hugs to you and please know that things will be fine. You will get through this.

ITB2012's picture

Condolences and congratulations. Let yourself feel everything. It helps.

Giant virtual hugs. 

And if you need vigilante justice, I’m in.

lieutenant_dad's picture

Oh PAI. You already know what I have to say on the matter. He is an <insert string of expletives that would get me banned here>. You have been SO good to him and his girls, and SO patient putting up with the BS he has brought around.

I've got hugs for you and a few swift kicks in the arse for him.

Aunt Agatha's picture

This is pretty far down in the comments, but I hope you take the time to go back to the top and reread everyone one of the comments above.  It’s all true.

You are an amazing woman.  This doesn’t have to be your life.  You deserve better!

StepUltimate's picture

Proud of you for removing yourself, writing about it, and being the true sweetheart that you are. I echo what so many others here have shared above about you, and know you are a generous, kind, loving person who gave your best effort for cheater-man & the girls. 

I am so sorry you're going through this! And angry that he treats you (or anyone!) that way. 

You will get through this, one step at a time. 

Exjuliemccoy's picture

Well I'll be damned. What a pos! After all that you've done for this non-man, he CHEATS??! You've slept on a godd@mn air mattress, lived in someone else's house, helped pay off thousands in debt he and BM accumulated, organized his life, raised his daughters, supported him through school... And he does THIS? You're the kind of woman to ride the river with, mature, loving and true. You've rescued this idiot a thousand times, and he yet felt entitled to repay you by cheating, probably while you were caring for his d@mn kids! Screw him sideways with a cactus!!

You take care of yourself, PAI. Take your time deciding what your next step will be. I've got a truck, shovels, and tarps - just say the word.

DPW's picture

What a d*ck! Has one of the best SMs on this site and blows it. Idiot!

I'm so sorry PA for everything you are going through. You do not deserve this, especially after your contributions to this family.

SO and I are on our way to splitsville too. Not step-related. It's hanging by a thread right now so if you ever want to talk, let me know. Big hugs!

Livingoutloud's picture

I am so sorry about all this. I never liked your DH, I always had uneasy  feeling about him, I even stopped reading your posts because I just was too frustrated to read about this guy but I never thought he’d stoop that low. How painful. And sad. You deserve better. Make sure if you decide to stay with him you know your worth. Don’t sell yourself short. You are a true catch 

Cooooookies's picture

He threw away a diamond while collecting stones.  What an absolute fool!  I am so very sorry PA.  I truly hope you find peace in your heart.

Give rose

Monkeysee's picture

I’m so sorry PA. There’s nothing I can say that hasn’t been said already, your H is a spineless coward & has never deserved you. You’re one of the kindest, most selfless and empathetic women out there, and you’ve given everything to him & his kids, only to be repaid with disrespect and infidelity. 

I’m so grateful you’re taking this time for you. You are worth so SO much more than this. You deserve to be cherished, valued, loved, adored, and RESPECTED above all else. Whether you stay or leave I’ll always be in your corner, stay strong girl and know that we’re all rooting for you. I can’t believe the nerve of that man, I’m both heartbroken & fuming for you. 

hereiam's picture

Wow. So, after all of this time that you've been sacrificing, taking care of the girls, dealing with his psycho ex, supporting his goals, helping him get out of debt, he cheats on you? And you should just be over it?

That, and everything else, is a lot to come back from. I know you want to be able to say you did all that you could to save the marriage, but don't let a few temporary changes sway you. Even if you go to counseling and think you can make it work, I would not move back for quite awhile.

He has a lot of motivation to "win" you back, so be careful. Without you there, he will more than likely start relying on his family again, so still will not be forced to step up and do things on his own. Can he afford the house without you?

I am so sorry this is happening.

 

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

Thank you to everyone for your support and comments.  I got off shortly after posting this, it's honestly been a really rough few days, but also been nice.  I've had a chance to think more clearly, feel less stressed, less responsilibity, less like things are falling apart.

The coworker has been an absolute gem, turned on one of my favorite movies last night, has asked how things are going and let me vent, even lent me their blowdryer this morning (which in my current state, was a huge deal, lol).  I'm grateful I have a place to go.  

I agree I deserve some respect, and I'm not settling, I don't know that I buy that the changes are permenant, but they're a start.  I'm willing to explore a possible future, but I can't put up with the crap.  Many of you are right, I gave up too much, it was beyond imbalanced.  And that wasn't, and isn't fair.  So I'm done with it.

Also yes theoldredhen... I do have some low self-esteem from how I grew up... I remember several things that honestly have always been on the back of my mind.  But I think I finally got pushed to the point, that I'm not going to put up with things anymore.  Hopefully he pushes and makes the changes and SHOWS me that the changes are permenant.  Because I won't take less. He asked this morning if I would come home.  I flat out told him no. And told him I'm not unless I can see the changes are consistent.  He took care of CS this morning, but that doesn't solve all the problems.

As for tog... Of course you didn't know we were close! I didn't voice that here!  I have a complex where I think I can handle things on my own, so here we are now.

I'm really grateful for all of you.

hereiam's picture

You may think that you can handle things on your own, but you don't have to. Let people be there for you.

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

I am getting a LOT better at letting people be there for me... I honeslty think, even if nothing gets better for us.  At the very least, I'll walk away with the ability to actually let people help, and realize that I can't do everything, and that there are support networks for a reason.

ITB2012's picture

When XH and I got married I told him I had only one rule: no cheating. Guess what, he cheated. I found out on my own since things were not adding up. I think the lingerie store coupons addressed to him for being such a good customer was the first solid proof (he hadn't gotten me anything there ever). And I found more proof.

I stood in the mirror and asked myself if I could be proud of the person I saw if I divorced or proud of the person I saw if I stuck it out. I told him to leave (he had somewhere else he could go, right?). More stuff was going on but he broke THE rule.

I am astonished by the strength of people who keep trying after infidelity. You are SO strong. I just saw your update. It takes strength to leave and it takes a lot of strength to be able to even keep the door open for reconciliation. 

 

ndc's picture

The other issue I'd have is that a cheater is a dishonest, less than honorable person.  If he'd cheat, he'd lie - he can't be trusted.  And yes, he "came clean," but for all anyone knows he came clean because someone else had told him 'you tell her or I will.'

So why is he believable about Psycho? Maybe a big chunk of the debt PA has been killing herself to pay off is her DH's fault. I'm sure a lot was Psycho, but perhaps not all. How do you believe anything this guy says?  And therein lies the problem - when the trust is gone, it's gone. Doubt creeps in about things that were never in question. It turns everything upside down. I guess that's why many people cannot come back from cheating.

WalkOnBy's picture

Oh man, I finally check back in on StepTalk and this is what I see??  

Oh, PA, you so did not deserve any of this.  I have been where you are, and I could not survive the cheating, so I give you credit.

I wish you peace and good decision making.  I am here if you need me.

 

classyNJ's picture

I can't add any more than what everyone else has said.  We are all here for you and you are strong and will get through this.

HUGS and Peace to you!

bananaseedo's picture

I don't know what to say other then offer you my support, my love and sending you virtual hugs!  We all love you here and know your worth.  I will stand by you regardless of your decision, you know this.  Reconciling or going your own way....neither is a wrong decision...it's YOUR decision and your life and your relationship.  I'm super glad you're taking some time for yourself to re-group and watch things from the sidelines rather then IN the mess you know? That can only be beneficial.

HUGS PA!  

thinkthrice's picture

it seems no good deed goes unpunished.  Sorry to hear all of this, PA.  You're much better off without him.  Especially having a "fixer" type personality.  We become mothers to an adult child (DuHs)

CLove's picture

You are mighty, just know that you did your very best and if it doesnt work out you are NOT a failure, HE is the failure. Im so sorry - sending you hugs from California. I hope that wherever you are that you realize how awesome you are.

Defintely check out chumplady. Sounds like you need gray rock. But if you want to reconcile, know that we are here as support through this journey - no judgements.

Simpleton21's picture

PA, I'm so sorry to hear this.  Cheating is really hard to overcome.  You deserve better.  Do what is best for you!  

I support whatever you choose as well but I strongly feel he is unworthy of your love and companionship!