Stay or leave?
New to this forum, been signed up less than an hour and would really appreciate some help.
step dad to 3 kids with a newborn daughter who's less than 3 months old. 2 step daughters under 6 and 1 step son over 10 years old.
I am really struggling as in I want to run away but I don't want to leave my baby girl behind. On the same note I don't want to have to 'visit' my daughter either I want to live with her.
Partner is on benefits and has barely ever worked. Her family are animals and have always been rude because SS would go over and visit and tell lies about me- for example I beat up all the kids, me and his mum are arguing and best of all I've thrown him out (that one has been said several times). I have done absolutely nothing like that. The only thing I have ever done is said if you don't enjoy living here (he always cries and begs to go over there so he can play games with his 20-odd year old man child of an uncle who has never had a job and plays games all day long) go visit your nans (that's it).
My step daughters are amazing, they have their moments because they are young but honestly I love them as they are my own. They don't see their dad anymore because he's not interested. They call me dad (we've always told them to call me by my first name) I've always told them they have a dad (as in bio dad). I used to drive the girls and their mum to contact centres so they could see him and i would wait in the car with my partner.
I read them stories, I take them to school when I can sometimes with or without my partner. I take them food shopping and they both love it, they get a basket and I put a few small light things in there for them and let them pay etc. My partner is fine with me doing light discipline as in 'if you do that again you'll have to sit by the mirror' they hate that and the mirror is in the hallway but they are so well behaved that they never actually get sent there anyway.
now comes to ss, he is first born, he's the only son. He gets away with murder. He wees in his room, we had the fire brigade out not too long ago because he weed in the socket and sparks were flying out everywhere (we had our baby girl in our room and she sleeps across that wall in her cot) he told us about it 2 hours after he'd done it and got angry with US that we were upset with him. He has a disability but is on meds for it and they've said that most of the behaviour is due to him not his condition.
He is incapable of everything and I mean everything. He can't wash up, he can't hoover properly, you can't even send him to the shop because he'll come back with the wrong thing(s).
he is constantly rude, shouting, screaming, he threatens to slap everyone when he's upset. He is a pathological liar. He's doing badly at school in every way you could imagine etc etc. There is nothing good basically and I mean that.
on top of that my partners discipline when it comes to him is crap to say the very least and I don't get involved. She sends him to family 'to get a break from him'. I personally don't get it. When he comes back he's 1000% worse because he gets spoiled. So she gets temporary relief and then things blow up again.
these days I seem to be doing most of the housework as well which I don't find amusing. She takes so long to do it sometimes that I have to do something. Then she'll say that I did it and she was going to.
I have found when she's stressed the housework is put on the back burner. Don't get me wrong the place is spotless, there's always food, clothes etc so it's more clothes piling up eg clean clothes still on the racks and some need to be hung up from the washing machine. Everything else is usually done.
when he's not around everyone and I mean everyone is a lot happier, one of the girls in particular tells him she hates him all the time. We've told her to stop but sometimes she still slips up, she always says she's frightened of him as well which I don't find funny at all.
just to mention I have tried everything - solo outings, one to ones, pampered him I even cut his nails etc and as far as I'm concerned he should be able to do it himself but I wanted him to feel happy and loved, I've taken him to doctors appointments, I've tried to build things with him, I've tried to game with him, I've tried helping with homework, I've tried practising handwriting etc because his is way below what is required, I used to bring him food after work in case he was hungry (he goes into the kitchen and eats everything), I've asked him to bake with me, when we had a dog I let him come on the walks even though it was his bed time, when he's been sick I've looked after him, when he had to go hospital he actually chose me over his mum to go with him so I did etc the list goes on forever.
I have spoken to her about all of this many times and nothing is happening. I'm nearly 5 years her junior and I honestly don't think I should be going through this! I'm in my late twenties.
I don't want to have to leave because 1 person is making the rest of us 5 suffer but at the same time I don't want to be unhappy.
ill be unhappy regardless because I stay I can be with my 3 daughters who I love more than anything and would die for.
if I leave I'm without my 3 daughters and I know I'll be upset and angry because it's not fair.
I do love my partner as well, but my kids are first, she's second and she knows that.
Your wife has a 3 month old and 3 more kids
believe me when i say this as a mum myself, its progress if she even manages to start a load of laundry.
i had my 2nd child when my daughter was 16 months old, my hands were full that year.
all i can suggest is that she needs to have elder skids help with chores. Expecting home to be spick and span spotless isn’t reasonable with that many young kids
were all these behavioural issues not present when you were dating your partner?
My first year being a mum of 2, hubby helped out hanging laundry or doing a load, he took care of kitty litter and emptied the trash
A newborn?? And three fairly
A newborn?? And three fairly young kids? I don't blame her if she's not doing the housework- I am still barely surviving every day and my children are 1 and 2. Please, don't hold this against her, it's hard enough to try and function with one newborn much less a whole blended family. Let it happen in its own time. My dishes may sit in the sink for a couple more days then they should, and I might dress my family with clothes out of the dryer for a week, but everybody is OK, and the world isn't ending.
I am not saying she may not have been this way before, BUT, I do know many moms will probably agree with me that it's not a bad thing if you are picking up a few more of the household chores while Mom recovers a bit from a newborn.
And if your partner has barely ever worked and is on benefits, and you knew this going into the relationship and after choosing to have a child together (I'm assuming it was planned), then I don't think that's fair to throw it into the discussion. If that isn't something you approve of, or something you don't really like, then you should have thought about that before this relationship blossomed into what it is.
I think it's great that you have such a strong relationship with your step daughters, especially if their bio Dad is out of the picture. It's easy to step in and fill the role of a parent as well when the biological one is absent, too- so kudos to you for loving them as your own.
In regards to your step son- this isn't something only you are experiencing. In fact, there are several step parents on here that have similar problems- whether it's behavioral, not really loving/liking their step kids, having disciplinarian issues with bio versus step parents and an unruly child, wanting to leave but don't know how (I'll raise my hand on this one!), or just finding blended life isn't what they thought it'd be.
Just from what you are saying, I can't really tell you why your step son may be acting this way, but it's nice to read that you are trying to make him feel loved as well. There could be several underlying problems - I may have missed this in your post, but I'm assuming the daughters and the son have the same father? Could there be any issue because bio Dad isn't around? Is the tension in the house feeding his behavior? I don't think the daughter should be telling him that she hates him- that isn't helping anything, even if her feelings may be warranted. Similarly, Mom seems to be emitting a lot of stress/tension towards him, that he may be feeding on as well.
Have you guys thought about counseling? I know it sounds cliche, but he may trust opening up to someone outside of the family dynamic. Also, is he faithfully taking his medication for sure? Sometimes that can cause some disruption in a childs behavior.
As far as your partner, I am against people who say the kids come first, the partner comes second. UNLESS its in a situation where a child is in imminent danger/abuse, etc. etc. But, my partner has said the same thing to me in the past, and I should have ran then before having children together - I was naive and ignorant about step life then.
Anyway, no one should be put before another in a positive, supportive, loving family. Everyone has a role to play and everyone needs to feel just as important as the other. When your bio daughter grows up and happens to be in a relationship where her husband says that she is second, how would you feel about that? I am sure you wish the world for her, and for an amazing partner who would love her firstly and unconditionally.
So, where I am going with this, is if you are truly unhappy, it's not fair to the rest of the family for you to go around being unhappy. You may say you don't show it, but believe me, it will always seep out in some capacity. Sit down with your partner and speak up- lay it on the table and hash out your feelings about everything. I am sure she isn't in a very good position either as a mom to four (including a newborn), dealing with stressful behavioral issues, and a partner who says she comes second and (I'll go out on a limb here and assume) complains about picking up more housework. If you don't complain- then good! Don't!
I understand not wanting to "visit" your daughter or be on a part time custody schedule with her, but unfortunately life deals us cards that sometimes, well, suck. It sounds like if you can make this work, it would be for the best. I don't think being in your late twenties is an excuse for anything, especially if you are a father now and claim to love two other children as your own. You have a lot of responsibility now- as a partner, father, and step father. See if you guys can work this out! (Counseling may not be a bad option for you two either).
Thanks so much for the reply
Thanks so much for the reply
With regards to my fiancé being second. I always used to say she's first because without her I wouldn't have met the kids and I wouldn't be in a (fairly) happy situation. I know that probably means nothing but I don't treat her as if she's second if that makes sense.
housework, I definitely don't complain at all. Whether I was working nights or days I was doing housework then going to work and picking up whatever housework was left as well. It's more that she's usually on her phone or laptop these days when she has her free time and she has lots of that because the kids are all full time at school. she has admitted before to taking a step back because she's not used to actually having help around the house.
My step son actually has a different father who was only in the picture first few years of his life (he visited him every now and again) then he did a runner. To be honest he was always a bit loud and sometimes the behaviour was not great but he now seems to get a thrill out of misbehaving and causing everyone stress. He tells us unless he gets what he wants (play games) he's going to misbehave. So he shouts he screams he bangs cupboards he breaks things etc.
As for his sister we spoke with her today and told her she can't say things like that about anyone.
As for counselling my step son is on a waiting list for that so any time now he should be attending which will hopefully help. I personally would go to counselling but my fiancé would rather die than do so.
our daughter was planned, yes. It was more the fact that she used to go on and on about working and before she was pregnant I left my job to be a stay at home dad so she could work and she walked out after a few weeks due to some petty things. A few months later she then admitted she didn't want to because she hated not being there for the kids in the evening. Her feelings are fair enough but I just regret leaving my job at the time.
I have spoken to her and she says it's stress related. The discipline thing we'll never be on the same page as when it comes to my step son because as I think I mentioned he was spoiled from the second he was born and he just gets away with more being first born. The girls could do something far less worse and they'd get in serious trouble.
Why aren't you and daddy
Why aren't you two taking a belt to the illbehaved spawn's ass?
smh
You sound like a very caring, giving & self-sacrificing young
man. Bless you for that.
The SS seems to be the presenting problem and the issue that all undesirable outcomes center around. You mentioned family. Is there a possibility another family member can take him?
Your wife seems somewhat complacent, and perhaps even lazy. If she knows you'll do it all, why should SHE, after all? I would pull back a bit on all that you do, unless it is for the kids, especially your baby.
If you leave, you will feel lonely and resentful. Your entire life will change all because your wife cannot and will not discipline her first born mess.
Have you tried an ultimatum? Telling her she either needs to parent effectively with boundaries (Dr. Henry Cloud has many excellent books and work books on this topic and they will most likelyprove effective if used in conjunction and with consistency with your wife).
If I loved my spouse and the 3 kids, I would really find ways to make it work.
You deserve so much more than you're getting in return.
You mentioned "when he had a dog", what happened to the dog? Just curious.
Funny you should ask, my
Funny you should ask, my partner has asked before and they have all refused. They won't even have him for a few days let alone because he gets rude, starts swearing at adults, eats all the food, doesn't shower or change his pants etc.
thats exactly how I feel. If I go I'll be more resentful than anything, I know I will. After writing this post I actually stepped back again with house work and she got on with it. I think it's partly my fault because if I see something that needs doing I get onto it straight away where she can relax and then do chores but I prefer to get them out of the way.
oh yeah sorry well I had a dog but she kept biting him. She never once bothered the baby or our neighbours or strangers or the two young girls. She barked at him a lot and really hated him so I had to get rid of her.
he did have a cat last year but he would chase her around the house with the hoover and make her poo out of fear and he'd laugh about it. He'd hit the cat and everything saying she was naughty for pooing when he'd actually scared her. So she went for that reason.
He'll effing no would I allow
He'll effing no would I allow a child to behave like that to animal. Sounds like a budding serial killer. That rotten @ss needs therapy.
Honestly, are you starting to resent your girlfriend? How do you even find her attractive anymore. Bleh, allowing that crap in your home.
Sorry for the late reply
Sorry for the late reply forgot my log in!
yeah I think it's sick too believe me! At first I was horrified then after all the bad behaviour and lack of manners etc I just end up where I'm like meh ... it's not my kid, nothing to do with me. I literally used to say to my partner '' not my dna' when things got really bad and she'd come to me about the behaviour. Because 1 I was thinking nothing to do with me... you and your family brought him up not me and 2. If there is no sufficient punishments what does she expect to happen? I can't discipline because everyone starts moaning so I focus on the other kids and I don't feel bad one bit. I used to but I don't now.
my expectations are high and when family fall short of it I think okay on to the next one.
The only person I am going to deal with my way is my bio daughter. My mum brought me up in an open home, I could always talk to her etc but best believe she showed me how to iron,cook,clean, was clothes and dishes etc from young and if I didn't pull my weight I'd hear about it and if too many times I'd get punishment eg no privileges or straight up lecture.
Not an easy solution
I am sorry what you are going through and I hope you can come up with a solution.
First of all I agree with other posters that most of the problems seem to arise from stepson behavior and your partner not addressing (to what you expect) his behavioral problems. Good thing he is on waitlist for counseling and this kid may need a lot of counseling and treatment and I hope he gets it he is only a kid and has a life ahead of him so couselling may be extremely beneficial at this point.
Second I think your main problem with your partner is going to be much more difficult to solve. I think that you being upset at having to pick up house chores and extra things are things that are getting you upset more becuase some resentment has build up towards her for not disciplining her son (to your expectations). You sound like a person who usually gives a lot and I find it strange that you complain about picking up some stuff around the house specially when there is a newborn around.
I would talk directly to your partner, come up with reasonable expectations of behavior from your stepson and what to do when he fails those expectations. If you cannot agree to the expected behavior and the consecuences when he missbehaves then you should really seek help as a couple. You say you love your stepdaughter as your own, I think part of your resentment towards your wife comes from the fact that she parents them with different standards that her son so just imagine how much more resentful you will be when she parents your biodaughter with different standards.
Keep all options open, living apart (but not divorce/separate) if affordable can be an option. Boarding school for stepson (if all the family is less stressed when he is not around) may also be an option if affordable. It all depends if you and your wife can agree that there is a problem, that part of the problem is that you are not seeing eye to eye with respect to stepson, and if you both agree to trying to change things to a mutually agreed situation.
Thanks so much for your time
Thanks so much for your time in writing this.
Yes he definitely does need the therapy. Everyone in the family agrees on that even though no one actually disciplines him. If you're 'disciplining' someone and they do the same thing over and over again not caring about consequences because there is lack of then something is fundamentally wrong.
it's not even the picking stuff up it's more that she (after I wrote this post and pointed it out to her) actually told me she was basically so used to me cleaning she wasn't really thinking about it and was almost taking advantage (her words not mine)
I know when she's sad or upset etc, I also know when someone is taking the mic (Again she says she was to an extent)
for me merging the two families together (me being 1 family and 4 others before our daughter came and made it 6 of us) I was very open and compromised on a lot. I hate mess, I also think everyone no matter how old whether 2/3 or 23 should be picking up after themselves. Whereas my partner will moan a bit and then clean up after the kids only to tell them off, they mess it up, she vows never to do it again and next thing you know she's cleaning up after the kids again. Me ? I'll call them over and ask them why and who they've left it for then I'll ask them to tidy up and remember to do it next time and they've rarely left things now.
she used to basically feel sorry for him if I'd say to him look you've been naughty you can't have xyz and so we spoke and spoke and spoke (70% of our arguments was about my step son either his attitude towards us and life in general or about discipline) so we came to the decision that she'll deal with his discipline, I don't get involved unless it's to back her up. Truthfully it's better that way. I have less stress. A lot less stress.
I have definitely spoken with her about everything last couple months. It's improved a little, there's things that still annoy me a little but I just move on swiftly when it does.