I spoke too soon...
While SS was here I had a little chat with him about the fact that he has blocked me from his phone. He mentioned that he needed some new clothes. I told him that I would happily buy him clothes but he needed to unblock me. It was disrespectful and I refuse to do and buy things for people that are basically saying F-you to me. He said I get it, I'm sorry and unblocked me on the spot. -- Great!
I was ordering some things for him Monday. I knew his pants size but wasn't sure if he wore a medium or large shirt. So I texted, no answer. I went ahead with Large, just figuring he was at work. I told DH when I got home that I had ordered a bunch for him but guessed on the size. I didn't call, because I don't want to "blow him up". Dh agreed and sent a quick text to him too. No response.
Yesterday was the court ordered weekly facetime. Guess who didn't answer. I am pissed. Like to the point I am considering cancelling the order this morning if possible. I told DH that I will not buy him another thing until he changes. Don't even ask me to participate or have an opinion. I will not take his card and place the order. I will not allow my amazon to be used for him. NOTHING. Screw that asshole. (Yes I am calling a 15 yr old an asshole)
Here I am planning a long weekend at an adventure park with white water rafting and a bunch of cool crap for him for this summer. NOPE. We will do that with my kids and SS20. I refuse to have SS15 if this is how it is going to be. He can have a month of sitting at home again. God I am pissed!!!!!
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Yes. Cancel the order and
Yes. Cancel the order and quit chasing the brat. He playing a game. Same game that lovers play.
Just got off the phone. They
Just got off the phone. They are trying to cancel the order. No guarantee but she said that orders are being delayed so she is pretty confident that it will be able to be canceled.
Good.
Good. That is probably the first time I am happy to hear of orders being backlogged! I am reminded strongly of my own SD who did her best to "run game" on me after she moved out to get what she wanted but was not smart enough to be nice and keep the gravy train rolling. So it worked once and never did again. What idiots! It takes next to no effort to be decent to someone that you don't live with and rarely see but they are not smart enough to even act in their selfish best interest.
Cancel the order.
Cancel the order.
Yes, this was predictable,
Yes, this was predictable, this is how it went with my SS, too. He never had the strength to stand up to BM, ever. He fights with her, tooth and nail, but that's just part of their dance. He was great with us, and then back to alienated jerk with BM.
I hope you can learn to see it as his reaction to and way of coping with being abused by BM rather than how he's treating you as a person.
But yes, cancel the order and let DH handle all communication with SS going forward. This pattern will continue until he's old enough to stand up for himself, or the court order ends. Since returning from alienation at 18, SS now does respond to DH - I guess BM doesn't feel she has the ability to control it anymore.
I mean, yes alienating
I mean, yes alienating behaviors.
But when she asked to be unblocked his response was "buy me clothes".
This really would have rubbed me wrong.
It didn't go like that. The
It didn't go like that. The three of us were sitting outside at our fire pit. DH asked if there was anything he needed. He said that he could really use some clothes. I said that I would be happy to buy them but if you want things from me, I need to be unblocked because it was disrespectful and I won't do things for people that are basically telling me to F-off.
I would definitely cancel the
I would definitely cancel the order. I don't totally blame the kid - obviously he's under the influence of his evil BM - but he deserves NOTHING from you.
What a knob head - glad to
What a knob head - glad to hear you cancelled the order. BTW I wouldn't actually book any holiday for the summer yet. We are being told in the UK (and I think we are a bit ahead of the USA for COVID19) that the lockdown may last until the summer, and even after that there may be significant social distancing still enforced.
I am afraid of that, so we
I am afraid of that, so we were going to hold off booking but we started kind of planning. Moving money into the vacation fund for it type of thing.
I know you all are right and
I know you all are right and that this is mostly BM but I don't even care anymore. Let's be real, me buying him 6 shirts, 2 pairs of shorts and 2 pairs of jeans benefits her. While SS also gets the benefit of new clothes it is really a financial burden off of BM. So fine. NOTHING from me. I refuse.
I have to distance myself for my own sanity. The hard part is watching the man that I love so much be destroyed over and over again by this kid. He doesn't deserve this treatment. He is a good man, a good father. I hope BM gets hit by a truck and dies a long, slow painful death.
Yes, do distance and take
Yes, do distance and take care of yourself. I used to be furiously angry at SS, too, it was almost painful. Even though I knew it wasn't personal and it was only about his sick and toxic relationship with BM, I couldn't help feeling angry.
When he came back around, I bought him some clothes too that I was going to give to him for Christmas (as I used to do when he was younger) because he still seemed to dress like a street person even though BM makes so much money - but I ended up returning them after it was clear he's still not the son DH deserves to have - DH didn't even hear from him around Christmas that first year he was back.
This stuff is awful - just focus on being DH's rock, that's something you have control over. Your SS will likely come around like mine once the custody order ends. But even though that's been much better for us than the alienation, it's also clear that he is a very damaged person that I don't really want a relationship with.
Is your hubby willing to try individual therapy?
That has been a huge help for mine. The PA we deal with isn't nearly as severe--and the physical distance is not, either--but I know how painful it can be. DH and I got to a point where my mental health was breaking down as I tried to support him.
It helps him so much to have someone *other* than me to validate him and for him to be able to vent without feeling like he's stressing someone else out with it. It's enabled me to get some emotional distance for myself, too. (And I've gone back to therapy, as well.)
I understand buying clothes
I understand buying clothes while he is on the visitation with you but I'd not send him clothes to where he lives . Like don't teens like to choose their own clothes to fit their style? You don't even know his size and he wouldn't even tell you his size, I'd not be guessing sizes. Can't his mom buy him clothes? Plus he is sitting at home until at least April 30th so what kind of clothes does he need?
My DD has good relationship with her dad and SM but I'd be confused if SM just send her clothes, not a special gift or bought her stuff during visitation but send like regular every day stuff to my house? I'd be confused why she did that. Especially guessing size that might not even fit? I'd not be mad about it but very puzzled. It seems so unnecessary.
I understand your DH is hurting. One of my skids is estranged from us and her sister (one SD is normal and one is insane) and it's painful for DH but you can't fix it by doing these things. Just focus on your kids.
I do get how frustrating it is but you got to disengage from SS
We would have taken him
We would have taken him shopping while he was here but thanks to Covid, that wasn't an option as all the stores are closed. He is a midwest boy. He likes jeans and t-shirts. He isn't picky. I felt comfortable picking things out for him that he would like. So, sending him stuff was the best we could do.
Keep in mind that due to his behavior and pervious attitude towards his father, we did not send him anything for Christmas, he was supposed to spend it with us and then "refused" to get on the plane (after we paid for a ticket). We returned his gifts. We did not get him anything for his birthday because he refused to speak to DH. This is yet again where his behavior is only hurting himself.
I'm sorry this is a very
I'm sorry this is a very difficult situation. It's sad because the kids basically have two personalities. I saw this all the time with Spawn while we were raising her. When she was with us, she would bad mouth her mom to DH and you could see that DH liked the idea that Spawn didn't like her mom.
Yet when Spawn with with Meth Mouth she had no problem saying how much she hated DH and told people he was an idiot and she had no respect for him.
This is largely why I disengaged from all their dysfunction, that and I was tired of being the whipping boy. I think for you disengagement could help. It's not about hating the kid, it's more about just guarding your heart, not allowing them head space and supporting your spouses relationship with them. Trust me it's hard, but it helps in instances such as this.
Yes, agreed, this is what I
Yes, agreed, this is what I do too. Now that SS is fighting with BM and she's kicking him out, I feel no sympathy for him; but I support DH's relationship with him.
Act like an a-hole you get
Act like an a-hole you get nothing. Logical consequences. Real simple and real life. Stop feeling guilty for teaching this life lesson.
Sounds like he only unblocked you to get clothes
I would let his Dad handle him entirely. The best thing to do is block him back- mentally and physically.
So if court mandated phone
So if court mandated phone calls won't happen will dad go back to court?
If he doesn't take the call
If he doesn't take the call next week we might. The judge told her to follow the order. He told her that she has to be the parent and make sure that the calls are taken.
We wouldn't fly back for the contempt again BUT would we file... maybe. It would be worth it to throw her in jail. Make her pay all that she owes us. etc....
I wouldn't be surprised if SS
I wouldn't be surprised if SS came with instructions from BM to have DH buy him clothes or whatever else he offered and bring them home.
THEN sell it on ebay.
THEN sell it on ebay.
Or toss it.
Ugh! I was afraid this would
Ugh! I was afraid this would happen. I can only imagine the conversation that SS and him Mom had when he landed.
BM to SS: OMG...I missed you so much. Are you ok? I bet they treated you awful huh? Well lets go buy you some games and you can tell me how awful they were to you. Oh,,,and we got a puppy and went to Disney when you were gone. Too bad you were not here. Im sorry your dad made you miss that.
Gag.
But yea...no treats for SS from yall. I am not even sure I would charge her with contempt. This has gone on so long. I feel so sorry for your DH.
Don’t think it ends at 18
My DH has an alienated daughter. When she was your SS's age she did the same thing as him every time she saw her dad. They had a great time, pretended alienation's not happening, promises to pick up when he calls, collects gifts that really only benefit BM who didn't have to pay for them, then back to radio slience until the next birthday/christmas collection.
Just reading through your feedback and a few comments stand out. My experience with this has taught me it doesn't get better at 18. I guess what I'm trying to say is don't get your hopes up that everything will be better in three years just because SS will legally be an adult. People don't magically shrug off a lifetime of brainwashing when they hit that birthday.
DH and I are both fairly
DH and I are both fairly certain that the only shot of a relationship for the 2 of them at this point will be that he knocks up some broad or gets divorced and has a HCBM who does the same crap to him that his mom is pulling with DH.
Better odds than my DH. If SD
Better odds than my DH. If SD gets knocked up or divorced she'll BE the HCBM
Yikes!
Yikes!
Time to practice
Gifting Distancing.