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Again!?? I just wish he'd leave me alone!!

didn'tsignupforapunk's picture

So today dh goes, "you probably don't wanna har this but skid said to say hi " again so I responded "I wish him well but I don't want a relationship with him." Dh goes "I don't need to hear it, he just said hi, that's it." So I told him that idk why skid is  being pushy when he knows how I feel. Dh said he doesn't know how I feel...(I had guessed that the last time he wanted to say hi to me some time back dh had passed along how I responded). Even if dh didn't I have a very hard time believing that skid is clueless as to my feelings of wanting to make up (though I have forgiven him).  

 

 Him being supposedly eager to make up with me but being willing to say" f*$% you" to friends cuz they aren't writing to him seems a bit fishy to me. And even if he is sincere...I'm just too weary from everything we''ve been through. Problem I'm running into with that is dh claims because he wasn't over a lot growing up (biomom named him after someone else and when he was 9 and out of control her tune changed and suddenly he was allowed in the picure) and not a lot as an adult (cuz of all the issues, and dh was kinda scared to set boundaries cuz he can fist fight real good but he only came over a few times a year) that we really didn't go through much with him and we're lucky we didn't have him more.

My response is that bm was lucky we took him at all. Cuz to me what she did is the equivalent of adopting him out but not legally then when her fairy tale didn't work out tried to return him to the bioparent. 

Am I wrong for feeling harassed? How do I respond to dh next time this happens, as well as to potential comments of "he's extending an olive branch and mean old didn'tsignup won't give him a chance." Or, heaven forbid, if he decides to write me without looking like a b-&%(**?? 

piegirl's picture

My DH would say.."oh skid said to say hi" and I wait expectantly for some sort of positive response. When I had first disengaged I used to try and discuss the matter with DH and it would end up going wrong. However, then I changed my response and it had a really good outcome. When DH would say "oh skids said to say hi" I would reply "oh that's nice...now I've been wanting to speak to you about ..holiday/bill/renovation" - basically anything I could think of to change the topic and conversation. I think now that he doesn't get a reaction, he doesn't even bother telling me anymore. 

didn'tsignupforapunk's picture

I love your response, however in my case I do not think it's good he's trying to say hi to me for several reasons. Maybe I could just say nothing and walk out of the room?

tog redux's picture

How about "you're right, I don't want to hear it," next time he says that.

I don't think you should care if you look like a b!tch to either one of them. Tell DH to stop bringing up his son with you - you will let him know if you ever feel ready to have a relationship with him again. And if he starts again, put up your hand and walk away.

As for the skid, if he writes to you, tell him to stop contacting you.

Some people need to be hit over the head with a big fat NO to hear it. I think you are being too nice about it.

didn'tsignupforapunk's picture

Perhaps I am being too nice about it..I just don't want to give them ammo for a "he's CHANGED and you won't give him a chance." I like that retort. 

tog redux's picture

"You are right, I won't give him a chance until I feel ready to give him one - I'll let you know when that happens."

didn'tsignupforapunk's picture

I hear ya! For me it's not about not giving him a chance, I just don't have a desire for any type of relationship with him more than anything else. We never did click, I'm not about to put on airs so he and dh and pretend things are honky-dorey and at this point it's like-go live a happy life, but stay out of my hair.

SacrificialLamb's picture

I have a set criteria that has to be met before I would give my 40-something-year old SDs another chance. When DH brought them up in the past, I asked him how had they met this (reasonable) criteria? No answer. I don't expect it to be ever met. They love gossip, playing games,  being a victim, creating drama, and are not capable of respectful behavior.  

justmakingthebest's picture

I like that idea of "That was nice, OH! By the way, have you heard from___/ seen the thing in the news about ___/ gotten our credit card bill?"

Acknowledge the comment but --DISTRACTION! lol 

Keeps you from being the bad guy.

didn'tsignupforapunk's picture

If I say "that was nice" dh will get the impression that I'm warming up to skid. No.

hereiam's picture

You have let your husband know where you stand with his son. He knows that you don't give a rats ass that his son says, "Hi". You know what he is trying to do. Tell him to stop.

If he won't stop telling you that his son said, "Hi" (I mean, really, who cares?), either ignore or just say, "Whatever," or anything you want, really. Don't worry about who thinks you are a bitch. You have every right to decide who you want a relationship with, and who you don't.

If SS writes you, throw it in the trash. You are not obligated to reciprocate to letters, to greetings, or anything else.

My SD28 has been trying to get my DH to see her now husband in a different light than the drug addict, thieving, verbally abusive ass that he is. She tries to tell DH stuff about him that she thinks DH will like or respect, or that they have in common. He flat out ignores, refuses to show any interest in the guy who once took a crap in SD's bathtub, called her a whore (in a busy, public place), and treats her like crap. Yes, after all of that, she married him.

If that makes DH an asshole, so be it. He thinks his daughter deserves better and will not condone this guy's treatment of her.

You have made it clear that you do not want a relationship with SS (and have good reasons) and your husband needs to respect that.

didn'tsignupforapunk's picture

I agree with you for the most part. As to your question "who cares?" I do..that I'm being harassed. I like the "whatever" response. Do you think skid really doesn't know how I feel like dh claims? Also find it hard to believe (maybe I'm wrong though) that he didn't pass along some message about my first response. Even if he didn't, though my lack of response should've told him something.

hereiam's picture

No, I meant, "Who cares?", as in YOU don't care that SS says hi and it's strange that your husband keeps telling you hi from someone you don't want a relationship with.

You feel harassed from SS or your husband?

didn'tsignupforapunk's picture

I do care (dh claims skid doesn't know I dont want a relationship with him so maybe he's not passing along my responses). Even if dh isn't, though, the fact that I've not said hi back should be a clue and I can almost guarantee it IS. So the fact that skid won't let up and dh keeps supporting him is what makes me feel harassed. I feel harassed by both. 

hereiam's picture

Okay.

Exjuliemccoy's picture

You're not obligated to be involved with any aspect of your H's messy low rent baggage. You tried, which was kind of you, and have chosen not to subject yourself to it anymore.

Now it becomes a matter of retraining your H and getting him to accept that this is permanent. It's not uncommon for partners to test boundaries, especially at first. They may seek to persuade us, try to bully, or assume we're just mad and will calm down eventually. If you're feeling harassed, then you should do something about it. You know your man best, so you'll have to decide the best way to remind him of your boundary. Changing the subject, ignoring, walking away, or reminding him of the boundary are all options. So is flipping the script and asking your SO why he wants to subject you to further abuse/pain etc. Just lather, rinse, repeat while remaining calm and factual for as long as it takes to get him to accept your new norm.

I disengaged after 18 years of overfunctioning and doormatting. Because I had been so accommodating for so long, all the parties tried to pressure me back into line. My H thought I was just in a snit at first - you know, emotional woman, she'll get over it, yada yada. I had to become a big brick wall, strong and impenetrable. I had to train myself not to rise to the bait when he would want to tell me things about skids or SILs. And it took him about a year to get it through his thick skull that I was truly done. I retrained him.

Stay the course. Visualize that brick wall, and you building it brick by brick. Be factual, keep emotion out of it, and be consistent. If you backslide, start over. This is how you create a healthier new norm.

2Tired4Drama's picture

Sometimes you have to frame the whole skid situation in context.  ExJulie has given a good visual, like building a wall brick by brick.  It takes time, and effort, to get it solid.

I think for you the easiest thing is to mentally set up responses in your mind whenever the subject of skid comes up.  If DH says, "Skid says hi" or tells you something else about him, you can respond like I do:

"Oh."

"Mmm...hmm."

"That's interesting."

Then get up, move away, go about your business, change the subject, etc. like others have suggested.  Trust me, it takes some practice because this kind of crap can induce anger.  

I find that going to the bathroom (whether needed or not) is a good deflection action!  By the time I come out, I can easily switch the conversation to something else. 

CANYOUHELP's picture

This is one they never stop trying to do for some odd reason. And, you know good and well they most likely never said a word and if they did it was to probe for additional marital information only.

I have stated why is she asking, she does not care how I am....her years of horriific behavior clearly defines how she feels about me, cares about me or wants to deal with me in the future.

Why this is a favorite go to phrase I will never know... And, even more twisted is why they would continue the passive aggressive contacts.  Like a random thank you card (now you have not recevied a thank you verbal or otherwise in 12 years), and the list goes on. Funny, if you stay away, they cannot stand it either.  So they want you around to insult you more? Oh yes, to only make certain if you are around you know you are fully excluded as "family."

It cannot get any more dysfunctional than that, my thinking.

 

 

still learning's picture

Its interesting how skids flip flop from hating, shunning, to wanting to be stepmom's friend all of a sudden. I played this game for awhile but like many others on this board will only engage according to my own comfort level now.  DH will sometimes tell me that skid says "hi."  I don't get overly excited or feel special that skid included or thought of me, I'll just say, "Hi back" or "that's nice." It generally doesn't go further than nicieties anymore.  Even though I'm disengaged there's always these tentacles trying to draw me in just so they can toss me out again.  It only works for them if you engage.  I'm fairly certain that I'm thought of as a cold b*tch at times because of my faint interest in their lives and removal of myself and my wallet.  But I don't care anymore. It was spelled out very clearly that they didn't want me in their lives in the beginning. I got the message and they got their wish!  

Your boundaries may need to be very firm at this time. You may need to tell DH that SS has a mother and a father and he needs to focus on a relationship with his actual parents. You can be supportive of his relationship with his son without actually being involved.  You're in a space where you need to protect your personal energy so be firm and let DH know that ss and his relationship is to be kept separate from your marriage.  

didn'tsignupforapunk's picture

His mother passed away. I'm afraid to say "hi back' cuz I think its likely to get twisted into I'm suddenly ready to reconcile the relationship.