Shell-Shocked from GF Codependent on Her EX
I've posted a couple of times about this experience and don't know where else to turn. Here's the original articles, if you don't mind checking them out I would very much appreciate it.
http://www.steptalk.org/node/54494 and http://www.steptalk.org/node/54679
We ended up breaking up over this very large deception.
Since then she has been trying very hard. She's been in counseling. Two sessions. She says she has put up boundaries. She got her own house and got a new job. She admitted that she was "codependent" on him and that she wanted and needed a friendship with him, and at the time didn't care that it was harming me. She said that at the time, (this is through the urging of her therapist to be honest) she found herself terribly wrapped up in her ex and that she looked forward to and enjoyed their constant communication. She said that she was encouraged by him to keep the communication constant and that she needed his approval and "looked to him for emotional support".
She said that she now wants to change, but denies their relationship ever crossed any lines. Says that she now sees how dysfunctional it was and wants now to put us first.
But my intuition is screaming at me that things like this do not just go away and that she must have had more than just a friendship with him, especially since she admitted trying to provoke him with the way she dressed etc. She says that she just wanted to make him realize what he lost (even though she asked for the divorce) but there was nothing sexual between them and that their is absolutely zero sexual chemistry.
I'm messed up over the betrayal and lies and totally paralyzed. I can't leave her and I can't seem to stay either. I'm going crazy, feeling crazy, as she keeps telling me that it "was just a friendship". I just can't believe that this was just friendship, and when she tries to tell me the only issue was that she knew I wouldn't like their constant communication.
She also is telling me that a codependent lies and that she lied to avoid the consequences and that she's learning to try to be more open, but that it's almost impossible sometimes for her to be honest about something! She says, though, that there is nothing hidden anymore.
I don't trust her, but I still love her. I'm miserable and I feel stuck.
What is the right thing to do?
When is enough enough? Where is the point where lies destroy any chance of moving on? And have any of you come across anything like this? What's a realistic prognosis?
Thanks so much for taking the time to read this.
J
I personally don't think
I personally don't think people change. If she's not admitting that there was a problem, then she will do the same thing in the future. She hurt you and betrayed you and now is denying that? No. there is a quote from a movie that basically says, any idiot in the world can tell you that they love you, it's what you DO to the people you love that really matters. You may still love her. I'm in a similar situation. I know I need to leave my husband, but I really don't want to. At this point, you need to do what you NEED to do, not what you want to do. It'll be a pain in the ass, but it WILL get better in the future. Find someone who appreciates you for YOU, not someone who is stringing you along. She sounds VERY emotionally immature, and you, like most people, probably don't need that in your life. She is making excuses for herself rather than taking responsibility for her actions. Unfortunately, once someone does this, they usually will do that for the entirety of the relationship. Whatever. You sound like a compassionate and sensitive person; I'm sure you'll have no trouble finding a person who's actually worth fighting for.
I've been in therapy for
I've been in therapy for codependency. And something doesn't sound quite right to me about your GF.
1. She's lying about not having any chemistry. You said that she said she was still attracted to him in this post: http://www.steptalk.org/node/54494.
"She said she felt very attached to him because he was the father of her kids and although she wanted to respect my wishes, she couldn't. Also said when she told him she wanted boundaries he acted as if it was a challenge and kept it up and pulled her back in. She said there was nothing sexual, but that it was not platonic either."
2. Two sessions with a therapist does not mean that she is trying really hard. Two sessions with a therapist are her bitching and crying about her life story, so her therapist understands her background and can then tell her what she has to do to fix herself. That right there is a couple of months at least. Then comes many more months of the actual *work* of fixing said problems. Two sessions is the "fun" part of therapy for a codependent, where you try to make your therapist agree with you that you are the victim and the martyr, and you are a special snowflake that everyone is being so mean to.
3. Also, with the way that they were trading pics, dressing provacatively, and actively texting and calling each other more than I do with my BF (a relationship that is a year old, and I'm madly in love with him), it just screams at me that she was cheating on you with her XH. That's another reason why he kept on interfering, and taking her boundaries as a challenge. You trying to get her to impose boundaries on him made it a special, sexy secret between the two of them.
As someone with those tendencies, I can tell you that she will do whatever she has to to keep being viewed as the victim and the martyr. That's the pay-off of codependency. You keep the crazies in your life from completely wrecking themselves, so that you can get other people to talk about how "strong" and "generous" you are. She is playing the victim to you right now. She still doesn't seem to be owning her problem, and thinks that two sessions is enough "proof" that she's trying really hard. She isn't. She either wants you back so you can be the next person she clings to, or if you reject her than she becomes *your* victim. Or her XH once again *victimizes* her by wrecking her relationship. She really needs to "own her own shit".
Get out of it while you can. She is still not well, and has not put in the time to really get to her issues. You returning will make her think that she is done with her work, and it will only be a matter of time before she is back to crying to the XH about you, because you are being a "big meanie" to Our Lady of the Perpetual Victimhood.
Hi Rockermom, I very much
Hi Rockermom,
I very much benefited from your post, and could very much use your advice.
I recently walked away from a very similar situation. I gave the relationship my all. Originally, she pursued me for months, and, after I started investing more in the relationship, he alcoholic ex-boyfriend came into the picture. His name would come up often and, after a few months, she told me that she wasn't ready to stop being friends with him. After a while, he started appearing more and more to the point where she said that she couldn't get over him. She played the victim, was attracted and has geared her life to reconnecting back with him for the past two years.
I dated my ex for 1.5 years. I loved (and still do) her to my very core. Yet, she was more in love with her ex, than she was with me. She didn't want to be seen as the victim and martyr, and constantly talked about how she was so generous to me. She wouldn't add me on Facebook; she didn't invite me to her best friends wedding; she wouldn't invite me down to hang out with her friends. And, when she finally did, she talked about him in front of me. The last straw came when her ex showed up out of the blue at a horse race track 100 miles away from his house (the same one that they co-owned) and she broke down telling me that she couldn't get over him. I told her that I couldn't take it anymore.
And, despite it all.. it was all right there in front of me to see. I loved her with all my heart. And, this is why I left, because I was the enabler. But, even one month later, I can't sleep, I have trouble functioning in life without her. I too am co-dependent, and this drew me back to her. I'm going to co-dependents anonymous now, but I feel a tremendous sense of loss for giving up on someone that I knew was sick..
She too is not well, and has not put in the time to get over her issues. I pray that she is taking the time out now to do so now .. There is really no way to no.. She tried to reach out a week ago, and it took me 5 days before I responded. When I did, she went silent. As hard as it is to admit it, I really hold out hope that she will change. I realize that it seems sick of me to think so, but I really hope so..
For now, however, I am focused on helping myself with my own issues, getting stronger every day and trying to stay positive.
Any thoughts or reflections would be of great help..