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I think my boyfriend's daughter is starting to dislike me...what should I do?

feels_like_karma's picture

Hi! I'm new to this forum, so hopefully I'm doing this right.

I've been dating my boyfriend for nearly a year. I was aware of his children and met them before we started dating. He has four total from three previous relationships, but we only see three of them every other weekend. The oldest one lives far away, so we don't see him much. I've only seen him once since we've been together.

Anyway, since the beginning, I've gotten along very well with his children. His daughter is 11, the next son is 10, and the youngest son is 5. They've always liked me and enjoyed spending time with me. Recently, within the last few visits we've had, I've noticed some comments from his daughter that seem a little unusual. My boyfriend and I kid around a lot and joke with each other, but I don't know if maybe she doesn't get that? If I give him crap about something, she turns defensive for him. For instance, the three of us were sitting in our bed watching TV. He went and made popcorn and was eating it in bed. I jokingly made a comment like "you better not be making a mess in my bed!" and his daughter said something like "who said he was making a mess?" He didn't acknowledge the comment, and I just ignored it because I was put off by it. That same weekend, we stopped to get gas and all five of us were in the car. He started cleaning the inside of the windshield, then I took over so he could go in and pay. I jokingly made a sarcastic comment about "oh sure, he starts it and then makes me finish it!" and his daughter snapped back with a "I would do it without complaining if he asked me." I told her I was joking, but it still irritated me. I try not to say much back because I realize she's eleven, but it's just so frustrating. This weekend, the kids don't have school Thursday or Friday so we have them a few extra days. Last night, his daughter asked something about what they would be doing these extra days, and he told her they would be with me because he had to work. Now, we've done this in the past and always had fun. The last time something like this happened, it was over their spring break and his daughter was excited to spend extra time with me. This time, however, she had a look of shock on her face when he said that, and made a comment about how "boring" I was. Numerous times. My boyfriend wrote it off like "oh whatever, she is not" but didn't really acknowledge it any further. I think he thought she was joking, but I was looking right at her and could tell that she wasn't. This one really hurt my feelings because I always try to make sure we have fun together. And I know she's always had fun with me in the past, so I don't get where this is coming from. Then, he jokingly made a comment about how he wasn't getting up to get something because he'd already done enough on his birthday, and his daughter was like "yeah, and you even cooked dinner on your birthday when you shouldn't have had to." Now, the dinner consisted of a pot roast that he wanted to make, and started cooking the night before. I had every intention on doing something else for him, but that's what he wanted to do, so I let him. But she made it out to be like it was just the worst thing in the world that he "cooked" his own dinner.

I have a stepmom, and started dealing with her around the same age. I believe I was twelve. I liked her at first, then saw how she really was, and didn't like her much after that. I feel like this same thing is going on, almost like karma is out to get me, but the only problem is that I don't feel I've given any sort of reason for her to be like this toward me. I know the problems my stepmom created for me, and try very hard to not make his kids feel like she made me feel. So it's very frustrating that I'm being treated like this, and I don't know what to do. I feel like if I talk to my boyfriend, he will think I'm overreacting. I feel like maybe I should talk to his daughter directly, but I don't know how to approach it.

One reason I feel so frustrated is because I don't think she understands just how much I've done for them. I'm not in any way looking for a "thank you" or trying to sound...selfish or something. But when my boyfriend and I first met, I made more money than him. I worked full time, and he was only working part time, with the majority of his paycheck being taken for child support. I knew from personal experience that when I was younger, I enjoyed spending time at my dad's every other weekend because we always did something fun, and I wanted to make sure his kids had that kind of experience. We'd go to movies, out to eat, a theme park, the zoo, etc. - all generally paid for by me. He would a lot of times let them know that I was the one paying and made sure they thanked me, which wasn't necessary for me but appreciated none-the-less. He also lived with his parents at the time, and over the summer, we moved in together into an apartment. And when we first moved in, it was mostly my income paying for everything. But I knew he was doing what he could, and I was fine with it. Even at that time, his daughter started with small comments, including one about how "daddy paid for this place" and so on, which right away rubbed me the wrong way because it was completely incorrect, and I immediately started to set her straight. Then I bit my tongue, realizing it wasn't an argument to have with an eleven year old, and just let it go.

I don't know how best to explain the feeling I get from her, other than she thinks her dad is the do-all and I do nothing, when it's not even like that. Now, he works full time, and I work part time while going to school full time. Our income is combined, and my financial aid for school helps pay a lot of the bills. So it's more 50/50 than it's ever been before. Yes I work less than he does, but I also have school. I also do all the cleaning, all the laundry, and most of the cooking during the week. I'm fine with it, because I like things a certain way and would rather do it myself, but for her to act like I don't do enough for him is just so frustrating. It seems like its more than that, too. But I just can't quite figure it all out. I don't know if any of it is coming from her mom, because I haven't had any problems with her yet. They also haven't been together for probably 10 years, so I would think any jealousy/hostility would be out, but maybe not.

I'm just getting to a point where it's becoming worse and I feel like I don't know what to do. I get mixed signals from her in a way, because she still will be nice to me and seem to like me, but then it's just like something flips and she comes up with some catty remark. Last night, we were watching a movie on the couch, and she sat next to me with her head on my shoulder. When we're at a store, she likes to hang onto my arm sometimes. Earlier in the year, my boyfriend asked her what she'd think of me as her step-mom, and she was excited by it. But now, I'm afraid if he asked her, she'd try to act like she wouldn't want me around. It's like she doesn't realize that if I wasn't with him, things would be a lot different. He would probably still live at home, and they wouldn't have a lot of the stuff they do now.

I'm thinking part of it might just be a girl thing. She's getting older and wants daddy all to herself. I got that feeling before when I was younger, so I get it. But I also try very hard to make sure I'm not ever getting in the way of their relationship. I don't ever want her, or any of the kids for that matter, to feel like I'm trying to keep them out of his life, because I'm not.

So, here I am, on this forum, begging for any help or advice I can get. I just don't know how to handle the situation. Maybe I am overreacting and getting worked up about stuff that I shouldn't be. But I'm hoping someone out there will have some advice for me on what I should do to handle this.

momagainfor4's picture

this sounds like several issues to me:

1) she's 11.. preteen. I think preteens in general are extremely judgmental of everyone around them bc they feel as if they live on planet "look at me, look at me". They are totally self centered and everything goes back to them and what they do and how they are affected.

2) on some level she's being defensive bc she "thinks" that you're stealing her daddy. Or maybe she's overheard comments from her bm that have led to these comments??

3) before you were in the picture was it the typical mini wife disney dad syndrome? if so then she can see you as usurping her space.

I totally get it though. She's 11. This should be a non issue. But take my word. It's not.

It can go either way. I've dealt with a brat who is now 14 and she started out like your sd. Nice and sweet and fun with just a few comments and things thrown in. Then before I know it she's texting her dad demanding that she not be around me bc I don't like her.

I can't stand the kid now. I hope that you find some way to get through this. Maybe just a good old fashioned come to jesus meeting is in order between the two of you.
Just front her out, ask her why the rude comments and the boring comments? Tell her that you're trying hard to be her friend and a good person to your bf.

I didn't do this bc I wasn't sure how it would be received. I let it go. I'm dealing with a outright spoiled bratty teen now. Hope you fair better!!!!

feels_like_karma's picture

Thanks for the response! I honestly don't know how their relationship was before. He lived with his parents for over two years prior to us getting together, and money for him was incredibly tight so they didn't go out and do much. He's dated a few other women since his last serious relationship (the one with his youngest son's mother), but he's never mentioned her causing any problems with them. I'm guessing a lot of it does have to do with age. She is going through her "change" and it's probably affecting her attitude somewhat. But I just don't want to let it go and have it get worse, like you're saying it did for you. I want to talk to her, but I just don't know how to approach it or what to say? I'm afraid if I say the wrong thing, she'll run to her dad and act like I was being mean or something. Should I talk to him first, so he knows what's going on and how I feel?

It's just so frustrating! Beee

feels_like_karma's picture

I wasn't a fan of him asking about me being a stepmom, but I don't think he was asking for permission necessarily. At the time, it was clearly obvious that all of them liked me, and I think it was more his way of proving that to me, if that makes sense. Like trying to make me feel good about the situation and show me how much they all liked me. I was worried about what the response would be, especially when his five year old got upset by the question. But his reaction was more like he thought my b/f meant "replacement mom" and not just step-mom. His 5 year old loves me and is like my little buddy, so I took no offense to his reaction because he just didn't understand the question that wasn't really directed towards him anyway.

I do regret not setting his daughter straight about the money issue for that exact reason. I don't want her portraying me like I don't do anything and like he's the sole provider, but I feel like her mother would know that most of the money came from me at the time, given his situation prior to meeting me. She knew that he only worked part time and paid a lot in child support, so she would be an idiot to think he was the one paying for everything at that time.

I'm worried that if I bring up the issue directly to my b/f, he won't see it as a big deal like I do. Like I'm more dwelling on something that I should just be letting go of. I feel like I tend to do that sometimes, like I get worked up about little things that I shouldn't worry about. It's also hard because I battle with depression, and don't know if my feelings are a result of that, or if they're legitimate. I feel like maybe I'm over-sensitive about things sometimes? It's also hard for me because this is only my second serious relationship, and it's a complete change from my previous one. There were some unhealthy aspects to my last one, like his world completely revolved around me, and sometimes I feel like this new relationship is so opposite, that I don't know what a happy medium should be. But, this is getting into a whole other topic so I will refrain from that right now!

feels_like_karma's picture

Thanks for feedback. I think I'm going to see how the rest of this weekend goes before bringing anything up to my boyfriend. I want to make sure I've got more than just a few instances before I make a big deal out of it. I also want to talk to him without interruption, so not having the kids here would be best. Then, the next time we have the kids, we can address this issue with his daughter together, or just he can if that's what he wants. I'm hoping if something happens again this weekend, I can try and get him to react on it or bring more attention to it than I have been, to help solidify my concerns maybe?

Does this seem like a good approach?

Disneyfan's picture

While she may have liked you at first, she may now think it's time for you to go.

The man has 3 BMs. Plus the number of women he has dated over the years. He had taught his kids that relationships do not last.

Dad's history with women, may be causing her to pull back from you. Yo

feels_like_karma's picture

I agree that maybe his past relationships have affected her views of our current one. But the only thing is, she gets along with me very well a lot of the time still. And I think she still does like me to some degree. If she does think it's time for me to go, then she obviously doesn't realize what all that would mean? Maybe it's a bad way to look at it, but if she's trying to get me out of the picture, she's asking for her dad's life to be completely turned inside out. Maybe at her age, she doesn't realize that though. I don't want her to get the impression that he should only stay with me for that reason, so I absolutely do not want to say "if you make your dad leave me, he'll lose everything." And I don't want to sound like I'm praising myself as if I'm the reason he has a good life now. I just think it's a completely selfish opinion on her end if she thinks I need to go.

thinkthrice's picture

You lost me at "the three of us were sitting in BED eating popcorn" She has been given "miniwife" status by your BF. That is NOT a good sign! Sounds like there have not been any adult/child boundaries established.

This is NOT good.

Watch out for these red flags:

1. Does your man allow co-sleeping with his children? (aka the kiddies routinely jump into bed with him at night)

2. Does he have to lie down with them to get them to sleep?

3. Do the children seem somehow "stunted" socially? Do they have poor hygiene habits, eating habits, bedtime habits?

4. Does your man subscribe to the "one big happy family" model? (expects you to love his children as much as or more than him)

5. Does your man have the "inability" to say no to his children?

6. Do his children seem overly "hyperactive" to you?

7. Does your man say "just relax; you worry too much" or "Everything will be just fine" if you bring up a legitimate concern

8. Do the children seem "overly needy" demanding that dad spend 24/7 with them? Do they physically lay all over him and go bonkers when daddy steps out of their peripheral vision?

9. Are they unable to do age appropriate tasks or want dad to do things that could easily be done themselves?

10. Does dad seem overprotective of his children; unwilling to let them try things out on their own?

11. Has dad said things like "I don't want to make waves with the BM b/c it will affect the children" or "we'll take the high road" when faced with blatant BM stepping over boundaries.

12. Has dad said things to you like "you don't like my children" or "you're a child hater" or "my children are afraid of you" or "my children don't like you?" This is code for you are able to see through the manipulation and the children don't like it. . . and frankly he doesn't like the fact that you can see through his children's manipulation either. He'd rather look the other way as opposed to actually parenting because he might "lose" his children to the (almost always) PASinator BM.

If you can answer YES to ANY of these questions, get your sneakers ready to go.

Do you know your man's FINANCIAL situation? Do you know if he has massive left over marital debt? How high is his CS obligation? Have you seen the divorce decree or mediation agreement. Does it seem overly slanted in BM's favour?

Love and "understanding" simply does not cover it all. Especially in the case of stepmom is supposed to be "understanding" when all of her money goes to household expenses b/c almost all of biodad's money goes to CS.

How long would you be willing to float biodad should he lose a job and have massive CS obligations?

There are many other considerations as this type of relationship is not to be taken lightly.

feels_like_karma's picture

None of those really go wit my situation. The only reason she was watching TV with us was because she walked by the room to go to the bathroom, saw what we were watching, and we told her she could watch it with us for a little bit. It was the first and only time that ever happened. His 5 year old will sometimes come lay in bed with us in the morning, but it doesn't bother me. Usually he wants to come in to snuggle up to me and kick his dad out of bed.

As for questions 2-12, the answer is an absolute no. Especially to number 12.

I do know his financial situation. There is no marital debt because he's never been married. Like I said, the financial situation is more split now that he's working full time. If he lost his job, I would not pay his child support, and I know he wouldn't expect me to.

thinkthrice's picture

"but it doesn't bother me"

Give it time--we all thought that in the beginning.

"If he lost his job, I would not pay his child support, and I know he wouldn't expect me to."

Yeah that's what I thought too, I've been in this "gig" for ten years now. Most recently the "love of my life" (TM) Guilty Daddy got angry with me because I continue to refuse to co-mingle finances and he called me out saying I was selfish and "was afraid to have to pay his CS should he lose his job."

Be very VERY VERY careful!

feels_like_karma's picture

Are you guys married? Why would you have to pay his child support if he lost his job?

thinkthrice's picture

I am not married and chose not to be with him. Specifically because of his financial situation and the state of NY as regards CS. He made 33K last year and pays $1000 off the top of his net a month to CS. I basically support him financially 100%. He has 10+ more years to go until the last one turns 21 (It is 21 mandatory here in NYS for CS and beyond)

He has little to contribute other than his contracting skills.

My point is "do a little more each day and each day a little more will be expected."

Slowly the "take SM for granted" mentality creeps in. The more I have "helped him" the more he has come to expect it and in turn has a mentality that I owe him. I'll bet not a few SMs on this site started out thinking everything they did would be appreciated and found out to their shock and dismay that not only was it NOT appreciated, they were actually the scapegoat for everything going wrong in biodad's relationship with the BM(s) and his child(ren).

frustratedgirlfriend's picture

I'm looking at this list and now I am worried!!!! My man has many of these issues. Should I be concerned???

feels_like_karma's picture

Personally, I think some of them aren't a big deal. So it depends on which ones he does. Which numbers are you concerned with?

hismineandours's picture

My own dd is 11 so I can relate to this lovely age. She too has entered the world of puberty and can be quite the little diva at times. When she is-I put her back in her place-every.single.time. If she is rude to me I call her out on it. Immediately.

Imo, this is what I would do with your sd. You don't have to be harsh with her, but I would confront it. Something as simple as, "Wow that comment sounded really rude. It hurts my feelings that you would say that" Or "It's not appropriate to talk like that to others"-although honestly I would probably say, "you think I'm boring? I'll show you boring!" And then do nothing but chores over their fall break Smile

Im afraid in your case she keeps pushing the envelope to see how much cheekiness she can get away with. If you set the boundaries NOW about how you will and will not be treated I think you will be much better off. as far as her liking you-I've got to tell you-you simply have no control over that. You could be the nicest person in the world and she may still not like and for no particular reason other than she just doesn't want to.

feels_like_karma's picture

Thanks. That's pretty helpful. I have come to accept that while growing up, she and the other kids may decide to dislike me just because they can. I'm hoping it won't happen like that with all of them, but I know it could. It's just disappointing since we got a long so great for so long, and she seemed to really like being around me. I'm definitely going to have to step out of the "friend" approach and put my foot down more about the way she acts about things and start letting her know when her comments are out of line. I'd rather nip this problem now before it becomes a bigger issue.

lillfiredog's picture

My biggest regret in SM world? Not having said something right at the start. Please, respect yourself and her enough to be honest. Not cruel, honest. I am a SM and had an SM, it's tough. Take at least some of the advice here.
And unfortunately, pre-teen girls might as well be the spawn of satan too... ugh!

feels_like_karma's picture

I appreciate a lot of your opinion here.

I just want to clear a few things up:

SS15 - one mom, lives in another state.

SD11 and SS10 - one mom. SS10 isn't bio, but he treats him as though he is.

SS5 - one mom.

I have no kids myself. I won't be having any with my boyfriend because SS5's BM made him get a vasectomy after SS5 was born in order for him to "save" their relationship. She claimed she didn't want any more kids. Then, she left him anyways and had a baby with a different guy. :?

I realize me trying to be nice by buying them things and doing things has turned it into more of an expectation from them than a treat, like it was supposed to be. That stopped quite a while ago.

Financially at the beginning, yes I paid most of the bills. Now, he works full time and is the primary bread-winner for us. I do get financial aid for school that helps pay the big bills, but essentially his money is what keeps us going.

As far as the "ring" goes, I did get a promise ring from him a few months back, because financially that was where he was at. The topic of getting married has come up, and he even discussed it with my dad. My dad told him he wanted us in a better place financially (i.e. me out of school and working full time), so basically he's not going to pop the question for a couple of years now. Which is disappointing to me, but I understand he's respecting my dad's opinion and waiting until the time is right.

Honestly, when it comes to who pays for what, there's no definition. His paycheck goes into my bank account. The money is combined, and pays for everything equally. There's no "my money goes to this" or "your money goes to that."

I don't think that just because we aren't married means I'm not under any obligation. I'm in a relationship with him, and his kids are part of the package. If my boyfriend were to move on to someone else (which would mean he was an idiot Biggrin ) then I would probably feel a little duped, but I just don't feel the need to think that pessimistically. I don't want to live always thinking "well is it worth doing this if he just ends up leaving me anyway?" I look at it as a long term commitment and what I need to do to make it work for the long haul, not what I shouldn't be doing just in case it doesn't last.

Bojangles's picture

SD's behaviour is most likely a combination of pre teen attitude and boundary testing - particularly with you, and a territorial attitude to her Dad. It doesn't matter whether she likes you, or you are cool and fun, or you provide financially, her loyalty and her love are reserved for her Dad and you are to some extent an interloper. A year is nothing in terms of a child's ability to assimilate someone new into their family.

Every time she 'defends' her Dad or challenges something you have said or done she is marking her territory and placing you outside the circle that includes her, her Dad and her siblings. It's not personal, it's not about you, you could be PERFECT and she would still feel and behave that way, but it is meaningful and each instance needs to meet with calm gentle correction, from you and SO, or it will snowball. My SD's were still fluctuating between those little challenges, and appearing happy and fond of me, 3 years into my relationship with DH. They quite liked me, but fundamentally I was an outsider. To some degree I will always be an outsider - I am not part of their core family unit of parents and siblings. It's much healthier to accept that that to fight it.

You can't change the underlying fact that her loyalty and love are reserved for her Dad. And you cannot do anything that will ensure that she likes you. She's 11, she will like or not like you based on her current mood and her enjoyment of your last time together. To try to change that would be to overinvest in wanting her to care about you, and based on personal experience that is almost certain to result in hurt and frustration for you. As soon as you pin a significant amount of your happiness on whether someone else's 11 year old likes you, you are putting yourself on a rollercoaster of risk. Be nice, be kind, be the adult, but try to retain some emotional distance and remember that your relationship with SO is primary.

It interested me that your relationship with your own SM deteriorated when you were about the same age. You are convinced that this happened because you 'saw how she really was'. You were also a hormonal preteen at the time, it is highly likely you were displaying some of the same attitude and behaviours as SD. It is much more likely that your behaviour changed and resulted in a change in SM's attitude, than that she suddenly changed and the 'real her' emerged. You are in a good position to understand the stepfamily dynamic from both sides, it might be worth giving those memories a review.

Overall you're in a risky position because although you may not feel it yet, because you are in love and full of optimism and commitment, you are undoubtedly putting in more than you have been getting out of your relationship, financially, practically and emotionally because of the complexity of SO's parenting responsibilities and his onerous financial commitments. You've enabled this man to live independently from his parents, invested time and effort in establishing relationships with his children, and taken on the baggage that comes with 3 BMs. Don't compound that heavy personal investment by setting yourself overambitious goals for your relationship with his children.

feels_like_karma's picture

Very good advice here, thank you. I do know that some of my thoughts on my own SM were just my age and attitude at that time, and that's how I can see a lot of how my SD is acting towards me and pick up on stuff that my boyfriend might not necessarily see. But, I still have issues with my SM today, and it's more to do with her fake attitude and constant need to incessantly brag about her "perfect" grandchildren and 18 different sports each one participates in and their obsession with being the best at everything. :sick: But I did start to have those "jealous" feelings and whatnot with her when I was younger, so I understand what my SD is feeling. Although she isn't her dad's only child (like I was), she is his only daughter, so I can see where the "daddy's girl" kind of attitude will come in to play. I guess I just saw it as more that my SM did specific things that made me dislike her, so I've tried to avoid doing those same things. When in reality, it probably wouldn't have mattered what it was that she was doing, I still would have probably used it as some way to hate on her.

I try to find a happy balance as far as including myself and discluding myself with certain things, but I don't know where the line is. I don't want them to feel like I don't want to participate, but I also don't want the kids to ever feel like they can't have time with just their dad without me being involved.

My boyfriend will often refer to his kids "our kids", and while it doesn't bother me, I feel like it's wrong to think of them that way. I know he wants us to feel like a big, happy family, and make me feel like they're my kids too. But I sometimes think he does it as a way to compensate for the fact that he can't give me children of my own. Like instead, he will just try to "share" his with me, if that makes sense? I know he has worried, and maybe still worries, that at some point I will leave him because of his vasectomy, but I've told him numerous times that we will make it work and it will never be a reason for me to leave him. That being said, I do really wish at times like these that I had a child of my own who would actually accept my love and not treat it like it's nothing. Because I honestly do love his kids, and it's hurtful when I feel like my SD just wants me out of the picture. The whole thing just creates a whole whirlwind of emotions for me, because I truly love him and want to spend the rest of my life with him, children included. But at the same time, it would be nice to have a child that we had here everyday, not just every other weekend, and one who actually wanted me around.

And there I go, getting into other topics that probably should be reserved for a therapist!

Bojangles's picture

That vasectomy can be reversed, it's a simple procedure, my DH had his reversed so we could have children and we had no problems conceiving. I wouldn't write off your options there, but I would think very carefully about having a baby with a man who has already has a complex past, and give it a good long time to see what kind of home you can create together and how successfully you can deal with the stepchild issues that arise. By a good long time I mean at least 2 years.

You are still in the very early stages of stepfamily life. One step-parenting book I read gave a timeline for 'blended' families and described how many go through a honeymoon period of optimism when it seems like everybody's mostly getting along great, only for the real adjustment to start and come as a shock. You may well be starting that more challenging adjustment phase. It's then that you find out how willing and able your partner is to co-parent and respect your feelings and input, and how well you and the children cope with co-existing together.

I am concerned about your SO referring to 'our kids'. Many many men, including my DH, start out labouring under the misapprehension that they can create a new 2 parent family unit with their partner, who will be as loving and tolerant of his children as he is. Often this can be a subconscious expectation or hope to relieve them of the guilt of having children from a broken home. It can create huge difficulties and conflict when reality starts to set in. With those expectations in place many men react badly to constructive or critical input and blame their partner for not living up to their unrealistic hopes, instead of doing what needs to be done to support her real relationship with their children. SO's willingness to address SD's little remarks will be a key test for you.

I think you're right that you would have come up with some reason to resent your SM, no matter how she behaved. It's just human nature. I say this with the full weight of my experience - the depth of affection between you and your stepchildren will ultimately be dictated by them, not you. If they are fond of you and you mostly enjoy spending time together, that's a triumph. Rarely will reciprocal love be achieved, so try not to tell yourself that you love them. I know you probably want to, because you want to create a happy family unit too, and a cute affectionate 5 year old is easy to love, but the likelihood is that you will never come close to the bond they have with their parents, and that's OK. Most likely you will experience varying levels of fondness, depending on their age, behaviour and personality. The hurt comes from trying to love them and the unrealistic hope that they can learn to love you. I had that hope, I worked really really hard at being a fun, caring stepmum, no one could have done more to create a happy home and play a responsible co-parental role. But I now know that their feelings for me were never mine to control. Thus 10 years on, depending on their personalities and respective relationships with their mum and dad, some of them like me more than others, and one dislikes me intensely. Get some books, read up on stepfamilies and equip yourself for the challenging stepparenting role that lies ahead if you continue in this relationship.

feels_like_karma's picture

Thank you so much for all advice. You've given me a really good perspective on things and I really appreciate it!

With the vasectomy reversal, I've taken that out of consideration simply because I don't think we'd be able to afford it, and I know that the longer you wait, the less effective it is. And he had his done almost 4 years ago. By the time we get married and are ready to go that far, it will add more years onto it. So I've just kind of taken that out as an option I guess.

Bojangles's picture

You're welcome. Financial considerations are important, but you may find your desire to have a baby increases over time and money worries no longer seem like a good enough reason to not be a Mom in a couple of years time. My DH had his reversal after about 6 years. Many men have successful reversals, some don't, just want you to know there are options.

Disillusioned's picture

Can you start calling her out on her comments, as she says them?

Not confrontational or anything but if she is calling you boring tell her that's rude (in a nice way) and does she want to stay at her mom's instead?

I know it's a tough dilemma and don't really know the answer....

My H's eldest started out all nice and sweet with me with 'occasional' comments in the beginning. Her occasional comments and attitudes got increasingly worse to the point of outright hostility and disrespect.

Both my H and I ignored it for far too long - for the very reasons I'm sure both of you have. My H struggled with guilt over the divorce and lived in fear of his kids walking out of his life. He was afraid to say much as he feared if he did they would stop coming over. Believe me both his kids at one time or another threatened it and his eldest plays that card whenever she gets her nose out of joint about anything

After ignoring it to the point it no longer could be ignored, I had the so-called one on one meeting with H's daughter. H and I had discussed whether it should come from him, both of us, or me directly. As we didn't want her to think we were ganging up on her I had the meeting with her directly, with H 'around' the house...I had asked him to be within hearing distance as I really didn't trust his daughter not to flip out on me and say it was all my fault etc.. etc...

She flipped. Called me every name in the book and accused me of having the problem. Promptly moved back in with BM (she had been living with us full time then) and then played the whole dump-your (then) gf-or-I'm-out-of-your-life trip with dh. Dh was backed in a corner and to his credit finally stood up to his DD. However, we went through years of her cutting herself out of his life (but never really) years of total hostility towards me. She even tried to force H's whole family to chose between me or her

Total nightmare

When I think back about what I would have done differently. I realize I would handle her the very way I do now. I'm disengaged from her but, if she says or does anything out of line now, I will call her on it. Every time. And H knows it because I made it clear to him it IS a hill I will die on. I will not accept any more disrespect from her. I think at this point she knows it too. Importantly, she knows H will not stand up and defend her when I call her out on her crap either. This took a long time and many years of taking her abuse before I stood up and made it clear to H I wasn't taking her BS any longer

In your case, just wondering if the issues are addressed as they happen if it will help too?

feels_like_karma's picture

It's been incredibly recent, and so it's generally taken me by surprise and I don't know what to say to her in response. But, I did have a chat with my boyfriend just to kind of let him know what she was doing. More so to get his opinion on it than to have him talk to her. But as soon as I said that she was being rude and giving examples of some of the things she said to me, he immediately jumped up, went into the living room, and set her straight. His said it was completely out of line for her to say those kinds of things and to act like that. He told her that there was absolutely no excuse for her to disrespect me like that. He even told her that if she wanted to behave like that, she could stay at home with her mother from now on because it would not be tolerated. He told her that she is to respect me and listen to me, and not back talk or be rude. Then he told me later that she tried to tell him that her attitude was a result of a kid picking on her at school, and he told her that was BS and that even if that's the case, that's not an excuse to treat anyone else like that.

She didn't get much attitude the rest of the weekend. My boyfriend did text the BM about it, and surprisingly she said to tell my SD that if we continued to have attitude problems with her, she would start losing some of her allowance. So that was a definite plus for us that her mom backed us instead of trying to play it off like it was nothing. Anytime SD copped an attitude after that, I made sure to point it out and let her know. She got snotty with her brother because I made her give up control of the remote to him and ended up throwing the remote at him. I pointed it out and told her she didn't need to get attitude over it, and she apologized (on her own) a few minutes later.

It's starting to seem like maybe all of her attitude isn't necessarily towards me, but I still have a feeling that this isn't over and more problems will come up later on. However, knowing my boyfriend's response to her behavior, I will not be hesitating about calling her out or bringing it up to him again because I know he won't let it fly. I'm hoping that jumping on it sooner rather than later will help it not be so much of an issue. I don't think she'll be able to use the "I'm not coming over anymore" routine, because he already told her she could stay home if she was going to be like that, so hopefully that helped her to realize she needs to can it with the attitude.

Bojangles's picture

I think you are in a really good position here and it says a lot for your BF, his parenting and his respect for you that he immediately accepted that there was an issue and dealt with it in no uncertain terms. I can't tell you how common it is for the Dad's first reaction to be to question your judgement, fairness and attitude towards his child and go on the defensive.

This episode will have been a really important milestone in terms of settings SD's expectations about how she can behaved towards you, and how firmly her Dad will enforce boundaries. But reassuringly it does suggest that this is a general growing pains attitude problem and not related to you personally. I suspect the reason BM was happy to reinforce discipline on this is because SD is testing out the same behaviour with her mother! A long line of normal pre-teen and adolescent challenges lie ahead but this bodes well for future handling of problems Smile .