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cnd62107's picture

hi, it's been a while since i've been on here, since amazingly things have been going pretty smoothly for awhile with our blended family situation. but today an issue arose which has got me depressed, frustrated, and at a loss for how to handle it. i'm hoping someone here will be able to help me decide what is the best way.

my dh has EOW visitation and when the custody agreement was decided upon, bm asked for the provision for the 4 weeks of summer visits, which would have been split into two 2 week periods, to be excluded because she "just couldn't stand to have SD7 away from her for that long." my dh was representing himself as he couldn't afford an attorney at the time and he for one, wasn't sure how to fight anything like that and for two, just wanted the divorce finalized that day instead of dragging it out any longer because it had already been over a year since the time they had split up. so he didn't argue and the summer visitation was excluded. at this time SD was 5 years old.

since then BM took my dh back to court attempting to get his visitation suspended and eventually to have his visitations supervised due to some idiodic accusations of drug use. that case was again dragged out for 6 months of him not seeing his daughter, missing out on his 8 days of visitation for christmas and not even getting to see her for christmas at all for that matter. he finally got back into court for the hearing after all the continuences, took his drug test and passed and got her accusations thrown out.

once his visitation was restored, the paperwork said he could have visitation according to "option so-and-so" which by a technicality DID include the summer visitation. it was not excluded in this second court order the way it was in the original one. dh's lawyer was the one that informed us of this fact when we called him to figure out what we would need to do to allow dh his summer visitation. so we let bm know of this new development, and she of course argued, called her lawyer and said he had told her otherwise and that everything was just the same as it had been originally. that was not the case of course, but our lawyer told us the only thing we could do would be to bring a case against her for contempt for not allowing his visitation. we have not had the money to do so thus far.

but, we have been able to do enough butt-kissing with bm to get her to agree to SOME of the summer time on HER terms without taking it to court. i believe she knows deep down that EVENTUALLY we will have the money to take it to court and get it in writing and have it on OUR terms, because there is no valid reason a judge wouldn't allow the four weeks the option of his visitations allows for. so she wants to play nice so we will feel lucky we get the ONE week at a time she is willing to give us without spending the money to fight it out in court. we will take what we can get because right now we still don't have the money to fight her. so she agreed to one week at a time and we just recently got the first week. it went okay but the weather was horrible..it rained literally EVERY DAY we had SD. we weren't able to come through on any of our promises to take her swimming, camping, etc. we did go out to dinner, family's houses for a couple get-togethers, a cookout (there was one dry hour where dh's mom grilled him some steaks for father's day)...stuff like that, but other than that we were all house-bound pretty much the entire week. admittedly, it wasn't the exciting and fun week we had planned for. we tried to make it fun for SD, but we could see she was bored.

so, SD goes home and we ask BM about another week we would be able to have SD for and possibly this time go on vacation together. BM ignores me for about 4 days and finally i tell her that i need to put in my schedule request for work so i really need to have an idea of what week we could have SD. she finally answers me telling me SD asked her to tell my DH and i that a week was just too long to stay with us and she didn't want to come back for another one. she had been homesick but just hadn't wanted to hurt our feelings by telling us.

this is very confusing because during the week she was with us SD acted kind of bored and stir-crazy, yes, but she was also telling us that she didn't want to go home, that she was going to BEG her mom to let her come back for another week as soon as she got home, that she wanted us to take her camping next time, etc. she didn't act at all homesick. she did ask to call her mom around the 3rd day, saying her mom had asked her to call during the week. but after that she didn't mention wanting to call her mom again for the next 4 days. nothing like that. i just don't get it???

when bm told me all this i told her i suspected SD was feeling this way because she had been bored and it wasn't the week she had expected to have, and asked her to talk to SD and find out whether she would want to stay for a week if we got to do more fun things like maybe go on vacation. BM said SD told her she did have fun with us but she just didn't want to be away from home that long. we honestly didn't see ANY of these feelings coming from her while she was with us. like i said, she did seem BORED, but not SAD? no tears or saying she wanted to go home or anything of the like. i just really don't know what to think of it all.

and if she truly doesn't want to be with us for any extended period of time, why have dh and i been fighting SO HARD for it all this time? should we continue fighting for more time with a kid that doesn't want to be with us? we don't want to FORCE her to stay with us...but we do love her a lot and want to spend all the time we can with her. i just don't know if we should stop trying at this point. or how to handle the situation at all. if anyone has any advice it will be greatly appreciated.

OhNoYouDidNot's picture

I agree with iwlass: it sounds like your SD is saying what her BM wants to hear, most likels that BM is putting words in SD's mouth by saying something to the effect of, "You don't really want to stay another week with BD and SM, do you? You have all your toys and friends here... Why would you want to leave that behind?" Our BM did something similar to us at the beginning: the SKids were asking to have dinner at our house before taking them home from week-end visitations (since BM never cooks), and one day we get a letter from CPS saying that we're unnecessarily stressing the children by "forcing" them to eat before taking them home to BM, and that the children are afraid to tell us to not hurt our feelings... When I asked the oldest SD why we had to find this out from CPS, she told me that her BM found them too aggitated when they got home as they were not used to eating full meals for dinner and it made it harder for BM to get them ready for bed, and she added, "our BM is right". So I understood that BM convinced the SKids that we were the cause of their misbehaviour.

Anyway, your BM will do things subtly to convince your SD she's better off without you and DH, and continue down the selfish path of what's best for herself and not for SD. I'm sorry that you, DH and SD are experiencing the vindictiveness of a bitter witch but the best you can do is gently remind SD over the phone, at least, how much you love and care for her, and that you miss her. It may just come out of her own mouth that, "when can I stay with you a week again?" then BM will be confronted with her own bull about SD not wanting to see you a week.

Also, a bit of advice: try to avoid falling into the trap about making everything so fun for SD, otherwise you run the risk of being associated with only fun and games (and material items), and when you need to parent, SD will not take you seriously as you will just be her events organizer when she's with you. Her visits are about spending quality time together, even if that means watching the rain fall, you can make that fun with your own creativity. I tell you this b/c we made that mistake and since 1 year already, SD16 no longer wants to see us b/c she finds it and us boring. She states that she only wants to see us when we go on holiday to places she's interested in seeing.

I'm no travel agent or events planner, so she can kiss my @** , but I can't stand to see my DH suffer AFTER ALL HE'S DONE to fight to see his kids.

Good luck and have courage to face the ups and downs.

cnd62107's picture

i totally agree with all three of you, and i have had thoughts of taking it to court as soon as financially possible or at the very least threatening it to BM so maybe she will tell SD even if she doesn't want to go she needs to grow up and be a big girl and go spend the time with her dad because otherwise it's going to be an expensive and long battle, but it WILL happen anyway. but then i thought about SD being here when she didn't really want to be. maybe she would cry the whole time or resent us for making her stay? what do you guys think of this? should we talk to SD first and try and get a feel for whether these are her true feelings or those of BM, or just force her anyway and not give her a choice in the matter because DH deserves the time just as much as BM. he deserves the ability to take her on vacation with him just like BM does. but if we do force her, that gives BM yet another opportunity to make DH and i the bad guy. "i know you don't want to go honey, but daddy is MAKING me let you..."

i just don't know what to do.

OhNoYouDidNot's picture

I feel for you on that one! Part of the SD's stress is trying to please everyone, but not be caught in the middle even if she doesn't consciously understand that's what's happening. If she does end up crying or seeming aloof, it's probably b/c she's anticipating the stress of the interrogation by BM when she gets home.

CPS told us NOT to force SD16 to see us - it's worse w/ teenagers, apparently (although I disagree!) and thefore we have it on record to not follow the CO (we're in Europe, so it may be different in your country). CPS and the family mediator both said that if we force SD16, we'll probably lose her forever. The problem I see in that is SD16 is still too immature and needs serious guidance and BOUNDARIES, and by allowing her to chose not to see her father or be part of our family, they've just TOTALLY emasculated DH in his role as father. He's reduced to a fricken bank-note!!!

Whioe your SD is young, she needs structure and to know you love her, even if you can't see her right now. You can always say, "We're here for you always! never forget how much we live and care for you." when she's an angry teen or adult and wants to finally call you on her own to blame you for "screwing up" her life, that's when you can tell her there are 2 sides to every story and a grand divergence between perception and reality."

Plant the seeds, and hopefully someday, she won't become so much like BM that she'll want to understand how her mother manipulated her life...

Indeed, this is a tough decision to make. I'm in the same boat as you Sad