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Short history on YSS54:  paroled from prison three years ago, after serving 15 years for theft, identity theft, fraud, writing hot checks, and skipping out on rentals, a list of crimes including domestic violence.  BM offered to house him upon parole, thus he was required to live with her and her DH, and also required to hold down a job.  We believed all has been going smooth.  This was according to SD57 and YSS54.  

This past week YSS54 calls DH: "Can I come and stay with you for a couple of days?"  After DH listens to him for 10-15 minutes, he calls me into the room.  He hands me the phone and says: "Talk to YSS54, he wants to come stay a couple of days. It is up to you, you talk to him."  Keep in mind, YSS54 can hear my reply to DH, due to he is holding the phone out in front of both of us.  Me: "What is the problem?""  DH: "He says it is his mother.  Me: " I am not going to talk to him, you can tell him NO, so you tell him, and blame me, I do not mind".  DH says:  "No YSS54, I am not going to do that for you."  Then they hung up.

Now you have read my previous posts concerning SD57's hate email to me 5 years ago.  One of her statements was "you are mean to yss54".   Now I am in real trouble.  LOL

I wanted to post this to show how I have progressed here, only because of all of you friend here on Steptalk.  

 

sammigirl's picture

Issues:  BM's DH just passed 2 months ago.     Do not trust YSS54.  Do not believe he is working.  Do not believe he can make any move without permission, want nothing to do with harboring a criminal.

We have had no further discussion.  

StepUltimate's picture

Way to handle it. Crazy that your DH even asked; maybe he needed you to be the Bad Cop.

Good job not inviting INSANITY into your home!

sammigirl's picture

I believe DH wanted me to say "no" for him; but this is the first time I have walked away and made him do it himself.  

Exjuliemccoy's picture

Good for you, Sammi! You kept it simple. No means no! 

And what a pos this man is, still trying to bum off his elderly parents. Pathetic.

sammigirl's picture

YSS54, since I have known him at age 15, has always been in trouble. He has cost us $$$$, vehicles, lied to us, on and on.

I have never been engaged with him, always let DH handle the problem.  I cut the purse strings when YSS54 was 23.  DH would not do it, so I did it.  This time I made DH step up and say "no".  I'm already the bad guy, so doesn't matter.

sammigirl's picture

Thank you Aniki.  I follow your posts.  I could never be where I am with my strength, if it were not for my support here on steptalk.

It is still difficult, none of it comes easy, as we all know.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

Sammi, without STalk, I'm sure I'd be divorced. 

You're right: none of it comes easy. And some days are worse than others. We struggle through as best we can. 

tog redux's picture

54 and he still wants to live with Mommy and Daddy. lol.

That ship has sailed. He can go to a shelter or some other service for parolees.

STaround's picture

If dad wants to help, he can immediately contact the county and look for shelters, half way home, etc.  IMHO, it is really scary to let 54YO ex-con move in.   They can easily take advantage of elderly (stealing checks, etc.)   DH will be old before he knows it. 

sammigirl's picture

He has already stolen checks from us, in the past.  He wrecked our vehicles, lied to us, ran our phone bill sky high, on and on.  I don't have enough room here to list what he did to us, since he was 15 years old, until he went to prison for 15 years.  The only difference the Judge had the power to send him away, I did not. 

Helping him in ANY way now is not happening either.  YSS54 carries an expensive I-phone...he can do all and any contacts.  This is ridiculous to keep helping in any form.  I've known this YSS54 since he was 15 and he is a total waste to humanity.  

I've had enough!  Thanks for your comment, I appreciate your support.

sammigirl's picture

YSS54 said to both us one time; "you two have no idea what it is to live, if you have never slept on the street or in an Arby's bathroom.  You are not smelling the roses".  

What?????  He's nuts!

still learning's picture

"you two have no idea what it is to live, if you have never slept on the street or in an Arby's bathroom.  You are not smelling the roses".

What he meant to say was, "You are not smelling, the urine, feces, trash, rat droppings, and vomit." If that's living then he can have it! Why in the world does he want to move in when he has the street and an Arby's bathroom?  SMH

 

sammigirl's picture

He is required to live with BM, probation rules.  

He hates the rules of society.  It is too difficult for him to follow simple rules, after all rules are made to break.  Ugh.

Rags's picture

A friend of mine recently posted on FB that she wishes that wealthy people would have to clean toilets at least once so that they would value people. Your SS and my friend seem to be of the mind that those who choose to perform and not suffer have a problem.

I maintain that it is those who choose to suffer that have the problem.

Stay out of his way.  Let him “live” as he calls it.

sammigirl's picture

Rags: You are spot on once again. 

When I met DH, SS was 15 and driving without a DL.  I had absolutely no interest in having anything to do with dealing with SS.  I never engaged with him, I always let DH handle him.  As you can see, that didn't go well all these years. 

The entire problem with, SS54 was already in full swing, which is a different story and was never my problem.  As you know, I have hell with my Sd57, it almost cost us our marriage.   If I had allowed SS54 to come here for " a couple of days", I guarantee it will cost us our marriage.

My DH loves his adult children unconditionally, as he should.  There has never been a "No" to SD57  nor SS54.  DH has always had tough love with SS59.  Yes, you guessed it, SS59 is respectful and successful.  SS59 has never mistreated me.  We are not close, but he has always recognized me as his dad's wife and not one time did he put his nose in our life.

The entire thing is, and always has been DH'S problem, i am not letting it become my problem.  DH wants our marriage, as i do.  We just have the hurdle of DH keeping it between the two if us.  He pictures "The Brady bunch.  It just never worked out.  I truly tried for 30+ years.         

Thank you for your continued support. 

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I asked DH if YSS54 was still working; his answer "I don't know".  YSS54 has to report everything to his Parole Officer.  He has never answered to anyone; he even has a dishonorable discharge from the Air Force. 

I will not have him in our home, he has never followed rules in his 54 years; I'm betting he will go back to prison and complete the remaining 15 years for the very reason, that he feels he does not have to answer to anyone.  

I have listened to DH's past from his kids to BM and all the reasons everyone is nuts.  My comment to DH, after he got off the phone with YSS54:  "When does this all end?  We've been married 39 years and this still continues to come into our home.  Keep it out of our lives, please."  

DH sulked for two days and I know I'm the "bad guy" once again.  I don't care any longer and I have no feelings for any of them any longer.  

It does make me a bit nervous to know YSS54 may show up.   I did put the local PD number on speed dial and I will call it, if he shows up on our doorstep.  I put the number in my phone when SD57 was giving me hell, so I could have her escorted out; no problem.  UGH!

2Tired4Drama's picture

I am hoping you won't need to keep battling this issue, but be prepared to.

Your DH's tactics to make you be the bad guy, and subsequent mopey behavior shows there may still be risk that he will allow SS in the door at some point.  I can imagine one day when SS calls DH and learns you are not at home, SS will then "conveniently" show up, sob on DH's shoulder and convince him he is a changed person.  Steel yourself for that day!

Criminals and ex-cons are masters of manipulation - especially when they've spend a long time at it like your SS has.  Your DH will be vulnerable to whatever SS spews.   

The older we get, the more we all must be cautious about who we let in our lives.  If you don't already have iron-clad financial protections, wills, advance health directives, trusts, etc. be sure to do so now.  Don't allow yourself to be in a position where your DH can fall for B.S. from his son and wind up draining all of your finances to help him out "one last time." 

Hang in there ... we are all here for you!

sammigirl's picture

We have been married 39 years and have Wills and everything is in "rights of survivorship". 

I hope DH remembers how he was escorted via Law Enforcement to SD's house 5 years ago, because it will happen again for the final move.  No coming back a second time. 

DH and I have recently had this discussion, and he understands he is out, if I have to take a stand.  So to answer you question about me being prepared; yes, I am prepared to do something I never want to do, although I will do it.

Thank you so much for your support.

Rags's picture

I cannot fathom having to continuously deal with what you have for the past 39 years. 

You are doing exactly what DH should have been doing the whole time.  He tried to abdicate his responsibilities to you and you did not allow it.  That is exactly what you should do when DH fails to man up with his toxic adult children.

Never forget to take care of  you.  No matter  how much DH pouts.

sammigirl's picture

Rags:  Thank you.  This why he pouts.  For 30+ years I let myself be used and nobody pouted.  

Now I am taking care of myself and they are all pouting; and I am saying this literally.  I let this get completely out of hand for years.  

I just hope members here will learn from my mistakes.  When I read here about skids moving back in with parents in a step family setting, i shudder.  Been there and know where it leads, which is usually another marriage goes down.

I appreciate your support.

StepUltimate's picture

With you in mind going forward, much appreciation for all you've shared on this site. 

second1's picture

Call his parole officer and just advise him that you don't know what is going on with SS but that he has called your house wanting to come there to live and was told no.  This may cause the parole officer to look into matter and see what is going on.  He may be having BM state things to them that are not correct.  This will also alert parole officer, if SS ends up on your doorstop, that he is not welcome there.  Cover your bases!  Your DH is already sulking, let him sulk a few days longer.

sammigirl's picture

I will call local PD if necessary.  They immediately run a check on the spot on their computer.  It takes less than five minutes.  Then they will hold him for his Parole Officer.  I won't have to do anything, except call for "keep the peace. 

They will know his history in less than a few minutes.  It is in the system, thus he  can not hide.  DH knows this also.

Thank you.

Major Blunder's picture

Wow , that's my SD26 in the future , possibly both SDs lol

Way to go Sammi !!!!!!!!!!   You rock !!!!!!!!!!!

Dovina's picture

I follow your blogs, you are a survivor and champion to many! You just keep getting better.

 

sammigirl's picture

My salvation is StepTalk and you all here.  I will always stay here.  As you see, I need you now and then; I also love reading and learning.  Every case is so different.  It is amazing to watch someone here heal.

sandye21's picture

Sammi, Good for you for not backing down and letting DH deliver the "No" message to SS.  You are right - you're already the bad guy, it doesn't matter if you look like the bad guy now.  You do not have to put up with DH's sulking either,  If he sulks too much remind him that he can get a place with SS and SS can watch over him like you do now.  

2tired and Second bring up a good points - prepare for the day SS tries to manipulate DH into letting him in, and contact the parole officer of SS's status with BM.  Please protect yourself.

It's kind of sad we are stuck with gutless DH's and have to handle the heavy work on our own.  Lucky for my DH I don't have to stand up for myself often - otherwise it would be a deal breaker.

sammigirl's picture

My DH is trying very hard to have my back, so time will tell.  

DH is now totally disabled and has realized how much i love him and how hard i have worked for our marriage, since SD had her meltdown, showed her true colors, and has not given Dadeeeee the time of day since he became totally disabled 10 months ago. 

It has opened DH's eyes.  That said, I don't trust the entire situation and never will.

MissTexas's picture

I was once told by a female, she told her DH, "Yours fits inside mine, therefore I am bigger!"

It's true...what good are balls that are seemingly detachable, or that dissolve upon conflict?

Another noteworthy quote, we can all make into magnets to post on our refirgerators:"Why do people say grow some balls? Balls are weak and sensitive! If you really want to get tough, I say grow a VAGINA! Those things can really take a pounding!'

(Sorry Rags, no offense...I thoroughly back your posts!)

Rags's picture

No offense taken and no worries. I completely recognize my inferior position anatomically speaking.  I am married to one of you amazing creatures and she has much larger "balls" than I have.

I bow to the superior gender of our species.      *wink*      Wink

sandye21's picture

Yesterday DH and I discussed the reason he did not have my back this weekend when I was hostilely confronted by a man.  He told me I was doing a pretty good job defending myself.  But I have to tell you, I was very disappointed how he shrank away from supporting me in any way.  He could have even said, "Let's go."  But he turned into a soft sack of ---.  And now that you bring it up, he acted like a set of testicles which suddenly were exposed to the cold.  So now I'm questioning why people use the word "balls" in relation to some sort of strength.

Anyway, he gave me this lame excuse, "I'm afraid I would have punched him."  Punching someone is a far cry from just telling the guy, "Shut up."  I didn't buy it.  When SD had her meltdown and he ran out the door.  He wasn't afraid of hitting her, he was afraid of telling her to shut up.  DH finally said, "I've never liked confrontation."

It makes me wonder if 'strong women' (which I have been called) are attracted to weak men and visa versa, because it is just easier for both of them.  Then when we discover that we are weak in some areas, the weak men we have chosen do not have the ability to rise to the occasion.  There is some more profound reason why these men shrink away when faced with conflict and I can not come up with an answer.

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The only weakness for having my back is DH and SD57 and YSS54.  OSS59, DH has never been weak with him; DH has always addressed OSS59 with issues.  Of course OSS59 is very respectful and has always treated me with respect and kindness (39 years).  

OSS59 and I do not have a close relationship, but we do understand and respect each other.  I credit his attitude to tough love that DH always had with him and of course none with his princess SD57, nor YSS54.  DH has a soft heart for YSS54's manipulation; which I am wise to.  OSS59 stands up for me to SD57 and YSS54.  OSS59 appreciates the care and love I give his dad. 

This said, I will always stand on "tough love".  

Oldfool's picture

HI Sammi....sorry to hear about the loss of your father....may he RIP....

Under NO circumstances ever allow your SS54 to come and stay in your home..you and your husband could be at risk!!! I WONT LET my 3 idiots (my partner's worthless adult son, his fake-pious daughter and the ill-mannered BRAT) stay in my home under any circumstances.

At your time of life, you should not be subject to stress from worthless persons...

KEEP STRONG SAMMI, WE ARE ALL ROOTING FOR YOU!!!!

  

 

 

sammigirl's picture

Thank you for your strong support.  I am doing well and staying busy between settling my Dad's affairs and taking care of my DH.  I follow your posts Oldfool. 

What amazes me how these skids mistake our kindness for weakness.  Then when we come out fighting, they are in total awe!  Ugh!

My friend just ask if she could live with us for a few weeks, while she moved; I said "I am not going to have guests stay in our home, with my plate full with my disabled husband".  She got all ticked off and now won't speak to me.  Nice and true friend; we have known each other for 50 years.  Then YSS54 calls and wants to stay for a "couple" of days, forgetting all his toxic ways and thinking I have forgotten.   

I stepped outside to look at the front of our home to make sure nobody had placed a "Holiday Inn" sign (free rooms and meals) on the front of our house.  LOL

sandye21's picture

Sorry to hear about your Dad.

Sometimes our 'friends' and relatives really surprise us, don't they?  Neither your friend or SS even thought for one minute what kind of imposition they would be placing on you.  Sad.  Is it just me or does there seem to be some sort of virus going around of the 'Memememe' strain.  It seems to have spread like the plague in the last few years. 

Been experiencing extreme selfishness a lot lately.  I was asked to do an art exhibit by our community Arts Commission.  When I joyously shared it with my 'friend' she blurted out, "Why didn't they call me?", and for two months she was an a$$.  I found out she was having financial troubles and this would have had a negative effect on her attitude.  This is probably true with your friend too as she is moving.   But, as I finally told my friend, "You are not responsible for my happiness and I am not responsible for yours."

Your friend will finally get over her anger toward you.  But SS is another story - you really don't need this is your life at all.  Keep hanging in there.  We need you - you are the ST 'rock'.  (((HUGS)))

sammigirl's picture

You are right.  My GF has always been about herself.  She is fine financially, just all about herself.  I have always moved past her attitude, because our friendship wad never, and has never been about her personal life, nor my personal life.  That will be fine with time, it has never bothered me.  It bothered me to say "No to her; I just have my plate full as my life is changing with DH and my age.  She will be fine. 

SS54 will get nowhere with me, he never has.  I am totally amazed at the non-consideration DH`s grown children have for his condition; I guess they think we do absolutely nothing because we are retired.  I try to walk in other's shoes.

I say nothing and just take care of things one day at a time.  when I look at people around me, whether in a grocery store, Dr. Office, wherever, i realize my life is good.  I always try to count my blessings.

Thank you for your support.  I will  always be here, because I realize without you people, I would not be where I am.  I always feel better after venting here and reading advice.  Steptalk is my counselor.

2Tired4Drama's picture

...that your friend really isn't one.

She knows you've lost your dad.  The loss of a parent is particularly hard, no matter what age a person is.  Always one of the deepest cuts no matter how old the parent was nor how expected the loss was.  It hurts.

Knowing this, a friend should have been calling you up to say, "What can I do for you?"   That might include inviting YOU out for a visit or a weekend away - not imposing themselves on you as free lodging.

When I lost my mom, it became very clear to me who my true friends were.   The others, as expected and true to their superficial form, didn't last.

sammigirl's picture

You nailed it.  Not only do you find out your true friends, you meet the greedy members of the family, when their is a death in the family.  LOL

Oldfool's picture

Sammi, your comment cracked me up!!!!!!! I'm sure the 3 idiots saw that sign outside my home too......

sammigirl's picture

No more meals, clean beds for everyone, clean toilets, snacks, and an open bar.  I have had enough.  I closed the front desk and no "light left on.  Ugh! 

Thank you for the welcomed support. 

fairyo's picture

Hi Sammi- I will never in a million years understand why people don't learn from their mistakes and just keep repeating them over and over. How ever did YSS54 even think he might be able to use your home as a hotel?? Doesn't he know what you have been through with his older siblings, the loss of your family members and DH's very serious health problems??? And it seems DH has learned nothing either- that you have to keep teaching them these lessons over and over again??? In some ways you have to admire their persistence- but not nearly as much as I admire your firm determination not to let them run roughshod over you. Keep standing up for yourself, despite the fact you must also keep thinking-'Here they go again.'

As to your friend- I also have a close friend I have known all my life- when I was younger I was jealous of her good looks, her charm and charisma, her wit and yes, her financial situation. I always felt like her plain, ugly friend who just had to keep slogging at it to get anywhere in life.

Now, would you believe it, the tables have turned and she often tells me she is jealous of me- she looks old, has no money and a poorly paid job. Her relationship in which she used her partner is now over and she is having to beg her own siblings to help her out. I cannot get over the irony that she now sees me as 'lucky'- sometimes I want to yell at her- but you just keep making the same mistakes, and I learn from mine!!

It really does make me despair of people like this, who think there will always be something or someone there that turns up and sorts it out- just like your idiot YSS54.

I share your frustration but I applaud your tenacity and resilience. I shall certainly be interested to see how this one develops!

sammigirl's picture

2 years ago I would have been a basket case, saying no.  Now I am calm and cold. 

Thank you so much for your support.  It makes me stronger to know I am getting better at "NO. IT IS MUCH EASIER EACH TIME.  This one threw me a bit off base, because we were being told how well YSS54 was doing. 

It is quiet for the time.  I will keep you posted.  Thank you with (((hugs))))

StepUltimate's picture

You are getting stronger by the day. I admire how you're handling yourself and remain grateful that you're here on ST, showing us how it's done!

Much respect,

CANYOUHELP's picture

Good for you lady!!! You are incredible, you made him man up and not place the blame on you.  You just cannot  be afraid to confront the problem head on, you have shown us all that--in so many ways.  Just like a bad drug, sometimes you just have to say NO, what part of that some daddeees do not get, I will never understand. Enabling anybody to be rude, sorry, etc., is no sign of love or skill of any parent.

Sounds like your DH has learned who is in his court, even if he struggles with it....at least he has shown now-- that he knows; even if forced...lol.:-). You have been drug through the mud and you still come out shining like a star, because you put the accountabilty where is should be in your life.

I am so impressed at how far you have come in this sick little journey most of us share in some way or another. You have taught your DH how to treat YOU.....sooooo very proud of you and what you have taught me too.

 

sammigirl's picture

I recognize my proogress only as TEAM WORK.  Without my team members here I would not have moved forward with my life as I have. 

I will always have to rely on all of you.  Reading the posts and blogs helps me sort it all out and you cannot make these nightmare stories up.  

MissTexas's picture

skill...truer words may not have ever been typed. You're technically rent-a-womb, or a sperm donor if you have no parenting skills, or refuse to parent effectively, which means consequences and boundaries.

And it does sound like her Dh learned who actually has his back, just like my DH. What I don't get, is these DHs clearly see who loves, supports them and treats them with respect, but they cannot seem to break the stronghold these emotionally stunted "girls" have on them. It's the truest form of Pu**y Control, the epitome of it, the definition of it. And where does it get DH? Our counselor said, "Well, I live with my wife full-time, and you live with yours full-time, so you quickly learn to do what makes the  marriage go smoothly." I couldn't agree more, yet many of these DHs insist on spinning the drama, going back and forth with SDs and their wives.

Sammigirl, you are simply the best...I always look forward to your empowering words of wisdom.

sandye21's picture

"Well, I live with my wife full-time, and you live with yours full-time, so you quickly learn to do what makes the marriage go smoothly."  I think these gutless men go with what they THINK is easiest - and you will just be there no matter what.  After all, aren't we supposed to honor our wedding vows?  Except for a lot of DH's they forget they made these vows too.  When you give them the choice of treating you as a wife or letting them live on their own or with the Skids, suddenly it sinks in that they will be spending a heck of a lot more money and life won't be as simple or comfortable.

I never told DH it was me or SD.  But I wonder what is going on behind the scenes.  DH has not visited SD in almost 8 years.  He is free to go just about any time he wants.  It makes me wonder if, because he is non-confrontational, he is afraid to.  I am almost sure I am getting the blame but I was always blamed for everything anyway, so I don't care.  But if anything should happen to DH I can just see SD wanting to take revenge on me for never seeing her Father.  That is why we have to make contingency plans.  Sad.

sammigirl's picture

Sandye21:  you get it.  

My DH ask me how he could make it right, 4 years ago.  I told him I wanted he and SD  to discuss the betrayal with me.  I told him I wanted him to apologize to me, explain to SD  that it was disrespectful for her treatment and her email.  I wanted DH  to admit to SD  that he and she were wrong to me; all in my presence.  Like you, I wanted him to have my back in her presence,  it will never happen.  That said I will never go back  on  my disengagement.  

I told DH I would listen only and not be  disruptive.  

Well....not a move in that direction, almost 5 years ago.  I totally disengaged from it all, including telling either of them anything to build on.

I understand your frustrations. 

 

sammigirl's picture

My DH is trying very hard to mend fences.  I remind myself to move forward and let it go.

When I forced DH to say no, it was a first.  It worked and I know that for sure he won't hand me the phone.  I also believe he will say no to any future favors.  But who knows.  Remains to be seen.

MissTexas's picture

Playing it both ways will eventually cause chaos for everyone! 

And you’re right about the vows and selective memory regardingvthem.

I think you are right; your DH is afraid of her!