Stepson taking his mom to NY on vacation
I remarried in 2013 and my wife's 24 year old son lives with us. Yesterday he surprised his mom, my wife with a trip to New York. I don't know how I am supposed to feel about this but as of now my true feelings are that I hate it and that I am very upset that he didn't have the respect to ask me if I was ok with him taking my wife off to New York for a week. My wife and have talked about going to NY one day because neither of us have ever been there. Possibly in 2 years. We are typically big on "First". (Doing things together for the first time). My wife has her annual trip to the beach with her friends that she started long before I came into her life and I have encouraged he to keep doing it because she needs to get away with her friends. But this has really turned things upside down between us! She sees nothing wrong with it but I do. I thought we would share NY together as a husband and wife and as best friends. I also don't understand why a 24 year old man want to take his mom on vacation and share a room together. Maybe I am being selfish, I don't know. I am having a very difficult time with this. Please help!!
Confused SD
First of all, if the 24 year
First of all, if the 24 year old can afford a vacation for himself and his mommy to NY, he can damn well move out.
I have no bios but I have a dad and when I was 24, he would have been the last person I would have wanted to go on vacation with! Not to mention, that would have been a bit disrespectful to his wife, especially to just spring it on her, with no discussion and excluding her.
I have to wonder about your wife, thinking that there's not anything wrong with this.
I have to agree! He has a
I have to agree! He has a fulltime job but does not contribute any financial help. He has a new truck that I'm assuming he is paying for. As far as I know his mom is still paying the insurance on along with half of his phone bill. She also is paying a storage building fee every month for him to store a worn out couch and an old washer and dryer. I have told her more than once that he could have bought new ones by now. I have been dealing with the financial stuff but this vacation thing, I'm not so sure I can let it go.
^^^ exactly hereiam! It
^^^ exactly hereiam! It sounds like some serious enmeshment going on between mommy and 24 yr old son. The kid needs to go out and live life, find a partner to do things with rather than mom. Oedipus complex perhaps?
Are upset because the trip is
Are upset because the trip is to NY or would any trip bother you.
I am upset about the NY trip
I am upset about the NY trip because I thought my wife and I would do that together. But mostly I am upset that he didn't have the respect to check with me to see if I was alright about it. To be honest I probably wouldn't be ok with any week long trip. I guess I am having a hard time understanding why a 24 year old full grown man wants to vacation with his mom. I try to put myself in her shoes and think how I would feel about if my 26 year old daughter wanted to take me on a vacation and I am pretty sure she wouldn't do that to her step mom either.
It's possible the kid grew up
It's possible the kid grew up hearing his mom talk about wanting to go to NYC one day.
If so, I think it's sweet that he gave her this gift.
But don't you think he should
But don't you think he should have had the respect to check with me first? After all I am her husband.
You're her husband, not her
You're her husband, not her father. He should not have to clear a gift for his mother with you.
He should have included you in the trip.
^^^ Yes! Or at least
^^^ Yes! Or at least considered and invited
Yes, he should have. It's
Yes, he should have. It's disrespectful that SS didn't include him.
I'd tell Jr since he already
I'd tell Jr since he already has his bags packed for New York that he can keep them packed to move into his own place. That's just crap he can save up for vacation but still is on moms nipple!
Amen! Her son is a candy ass!
Amen! Her son is a candy ass!
He has a right to be upset--a
He has a right to be upset--a dream he had with his wife got shattered without a notice. Yes, he'll have many firsts, but this was one that was taken away from him without his consent.
In a relationship, you have to find out what's important to the other person and also respect that. They might have some quirks or pet peeves that are nothing to you, but because you love them, you compromise and treat it as important because it's important to them. (Obviously, this goes both ways.) I was reading a research article and they found that couples who responded to each other's "bids" (for example, being excited about your husband's achievement in a level of a video game even if you hate video games) had longer lasting, more fulfilling, and happy relationships.
To me, it also seems sort of excluding by the SS--I would not DREAM of inviting any of my DH's family (or anyone, really) to anything without also extending the invitation to their spouses. That struck me as weird.
That's a bit strange to me
That's a bit strange to me but every relationship has its own dynamic. If his wife would have been upset if he went to one of the "First" places on their list without her, then she should respect his feelings on this. Otherwise its hypocrisy.
In your relationship, I think you were comfortable with letting your DH go places without consulting you, and you would have liked the same respect in return. Or he took it overboard and wanted to micromanage so you hated it. In other relationships (like mine), we always consult each other first before we go anywhere. "Hey, is it okay if I go grocery shopping today?" is not unheard of in our house (but its also because it comes out of his paycheck so I have to check if he got his pay yet.) Also for safety reasons, if we hadn't consulted each other first, and an emergency occurred, how do we know where to look?
But what worked for us may not work for everyone else. Everyone has a different level of comfort when it comes to these things--but it seems like his wife would have been upset if it had been true in reverse (hence hwy he said that doing "firsts" with eachother is important in their relationship.)
^^this^^ There are a million
^^this^^
There are a million other places you can go for a "first" trip. And many just as good as NYC.
I have two sons 25 and 28 and no one will ever tell me what plans I can and cannot make with them. You should be glad her son considers her someone he enjoys being with! Send them with your blessing. And she must have told you at some point about her plans...clearly the message here is she does not think she needs to ask you for permission. Be glad your wife is that independent and confident.
Expecting complete enmeshment in a second marriage = stifling.
I am taking my 25 yr old on a safari in Africa this summer...and my partner's comment? Great! That'll give me a chance to do that bike trip around Ireland that you didn't want to do. Everyone gets what they want that way.
She does not need permission.
She does not need permission. We are husband and wife, best friends, team and a couple sharing life together. It is out of respect.
I think they both
I think they both disrespected him, but I suppose if the stepson was never taught that it is impolite to not invite the spouses of people, then I can let that slide and put more of the blame on the wife. This was a good teaching opportunity for her son and she wasted it.. It puts him in a hard place too, it's not like he can say, "Hey, can I come along?" (even if he pays) because he wasn't invited so it's like he's intruding/the third wheel.
I know my DH really, really wants to go to New Hampshire as a family for vacation, so if my dad invited me to go with him, but didn't extend the invitation to BD or DH, I wouldn't go. This is because I care about DH's feelings. Same thing when my parents invite us to go to Costa Rica (we have several farms down there), they ALWAYS extend the invitation to DH too--whether he goes or not is a different story.
NY ain't all that fabulous,
NY ain't all that fabulous, so don't even stress it. Believe me, born and raised here and while I now live in a neighboring state, I still work here and it's too noisy, crowded and the people are rude.
Seriously, take the week to go do something awesome like surf in Malibu and connect with friends. NY will still be here when your DW gets back and you and her can come together next time.
This city is HUGE and EXPENSIVE as all hell, so believe me when I tell you, you aren't missing much.
This. Oh god, I couldn't even
This. Oh god, I couldn't even deal with being in Queens so I hightailed it out to Suffolk county. The green and fresh air and QUIET and neighbors who wave and say hi (which was so weird to me before that.) I guess the grass is always greener. I guess if you like the live up the nightlife and see the sights, it's a great place to go. Me, just give me a margarita on my patio, without the screaming ambulances down the street.
Not2sure - I work in
Not2sure - I work in Manhattan. The noise is so much more pronounced now that I live in the suburbs. The smell is so much worse now that I know what grass, trees, lilac bushes and magnolia trees smell like. And the people…holy hell, the rudest people on Earth live here. I do not miss this shit ONE BIT.
I went to college at Stony
I went to college at Stony Brook and for the first two months I couldn't really sleep because it was so eerily quiet. Now I can't sleep when I go back to visit my parents because of the noise. How do people stand it?
And hell yeah, rude as f*ck. I was picking up my mom and dad at Laguardia last night and people were hitting my car telling me to move... when I'm stuck between two cars front and back, and one on my left, IN THE PASSANGER PICKUP AREA. I was like, are you effing kidding me?
This funny because when I
This funny because when I lived in NC (Raleigh), I could not stand the quiet.
As a kid I spent many summers in SC and loved it. But there is just something about the hustle and bustle of NYC. I LOVE,LOVE, LOVE it here.
We have the same problems
We have the same problems with our DH's and their kids making plans without us (and more our DH's agreeing to plans before asking)--why is it any different for a Stepfather in the same situation? I feel like that's kind of sexist on our parts, and hypocritical.
Yep. If this was a daughter taking her dad on vacation, without any thought whatsoever to her dad's wife (and sharing a room, no doubt), everybody would be screaming, "mini-wife!".
*lol* Not me, I hate that
Not me, I hate that term. I'd probably say the same thing I said here - the OP's problem is with his SO, not the kid. And if someone's DH planned a vacation without so much as speaking to SM about it, I'd say the problem was the DH. *shrug*
as some others have said, my
as some others have said, my issue would be more with the fact that this 24 year old adult is still living at home, and has no idea how to prioritize spending (i.e., buying a $40K truck and taking expensive trips but not being held responsible to contribute financially or better yet move out).
I don't blame you for being
I don't blame you for being upset. You are the husband and decisions should be made by you and your wife.
The son can call the trip a gift for his mom, but I call it interfering with a bow on it. If he wants to give his mom a trip for two to New York as a gift, it should be for his mom and her husband.
Seems to me the son has pushed you out of the way and mom is too blind to see it. Son gets credit for a trip and you are made to look like the bad guy for objecting.
The marriage should come FIRST!
IMHO the son is an adult and needs to move out and take care of himself.
I agree with jam. The trip
I agree with jam. The trip per se is not the issue. It's the behaviors of the wife and little Oedipus that are concerning.
Op, is it possible that you are dealing with a mini husband dynamic?
Saying that the son should
Saying that the son should pay for a gift for both mom and her husband, is no different than saying a SM should pay for a gift for dad and his kids.
The kid and the wife(I don't believe sge didn't know about this)should have invited the OP. However, the OP should be the one to cover his own expenses.
"I'd like to take Mom on a
"I'd like to take Mom on a trip to spend some time just the 2 of us. I'm thinking NY the week of xyz....is that cool with you?" Thus us all I think he needed to do. The financials are a while different story. He shouldn't be living there rent free.
That's asking the OP for
That's asking the OP for permission.
OP, does your wife work? If so, how can her son plan and pay for such a trip without her clearing the dates with her boss first?
I disagree. It's simply
I disagree. It's simply showing respect for his relationship as her husband. The least he should do after living under their roof, which husband contributes to, rent free
Good point, cat. It does seem
Good point, cat. It does seem exclusionary, especially for a new marriage. There seems to be a lack of delicacy and consideration in the SS's behavior, as I'm assuming the OP works and contributes to the household he mooches off of.
This "surprise" is upping the ante and adding resentment and friction to a situation that is already out of balance. OP may decide to be the bigger person while his wife jets off on their dream vacation without him, but I hope he has an appointment with a marriage counselor waiting for her when she gets back. They have a lot of issues to hash out.
I understand how he feels. He
I understand how he feels. He is the husband. It would've been the mature thing to do to give him a heads up, that's all. And if I were him I would've said, "I have no issue at all with you wanting to spend time with your mom, i think it's great. However, if you can afford a trip, i think it's time you started contributing to the household!
But if it's his wife's house,
But if it's his wife's house, he can't really make that call. Mom may be perfectly fine with her son living there rent free since he's working. Who knows, maybe he's saving to purchase a house.
Sure he can. He contributes
Sure he can. He contributes to the household I assume? I own our house but certainly my DH makes many contributions. It would be ridiculously unfair for me to allow someone to live free while he and I pay the bills.
They are a married couple
They are a married couple now. Why should a 24 yr old not be contributing to the household? I assume husband contributes to the household and therefore is helping to support SS? Not right in my opinion. You'll never teach a kid, he's not even a kid he's an adult, to be self sufficient if he's being supported by you.
It's not uncommon for parents
It's not uncommon for parents to allow kids to live at home rent free while saving for a home.
Heck, there are posters here who have done/are doing just that and they have spouses, bio kids and stepkids
Sure and that's fine. But I
Sure and that's fine. But I was raised to support myself after my parents did their job. When I moved back home after graduating college my mom charged me rent and I am so grateful she did. Taught me to learn to save money, live within my means, gave me a great foundation. The number of adults still living off their parents today in this country has risen dramatically. I think it's sad but it's just my opinion. I have no issue with the vacation, but I think the husband has every right to expect all adult members of a household contribute.
True, but if your
True, but if your saving....then your not taking yourself and your mom on a week long, expensive vacation.
Exactly!!
Exactly!!
I would do a trip with one of
I would do a trip with one of my kids when they are adults. Sounds like a blast! They sound close, the mom and son.
Now...he needs to pay rent. He is living an unrealistic life. Not paying rent, utilities etc....mom is setting him up for failure in the long run. That is what I would be upset about.
If ss invited DH he would
If ss invited DH he would have to pay for two hotel rooms. He'd also feel like a 3rd wheel. I think it's nice for son and mom to have this time together. If I got remarried I would definitely want extended alone time with my son when he gets older.
This doesn't just apply to me, I've suggested my DH take vacations alone with his kids. I think this is so healthy for them. SS probably didn't know about your idea of NY and mom was excited and flattered that son asked. I'd let them have their trip. There are 100s of other places you can go together as first.
If ss is consistently trying to exclude you, that's another story. He's very young and probably just wanting to spend time with mom and not realizing this may hurt your feelings. Let them have their trip.
Newlife2013, my take on this
Newlife2013, my take on this is that your wife is the one who left you in the lurch by not consulting with you (and I don't mean asking permission, I mean discussing the layers of it).
I'm sure this is contentious, but I think if a person with kids (person A) marries someone (person B), and A is expecting B to be okay with taking on the responsibility (and/or some of the cost) of raising their kids, then A should be okay with looking out for B's sense of being included and welcome. It just turns my stomach--as a step-mother, it was all fine and good for me to have to share the responsibility and cost of raising my husband's sons and making them feel included in everything in our lives when sometimes I damned well would have preferred to be free of them (e.g., we couldn't take trips alone), but at the same time I'm expected to be totally good with the way they now exclude me from their little blood-only events. I'm chopped liver. I don't blame the step-sons (because anyway they have no feeling for me and had no contract with me), I blame my husband (who should be looking after my emotional well-being after I took care of his). What bull.
I don't blame you for feeling hurt. I think your frustration stems from feeling excluded. As someone with a beating heart, I'd say that's normal.
We only get limited vacation
We only get limited vacation time per year and I'd be ticked if my new spouse decided to take one of his weeks and blow me off without consult. I guess that sets the tone of the relationship.
What if in the best light,
What if in the best light, mom has refused to accept SS payment for room and board and this is a way for him to pay it back and he's blown his wad for just the two of them... I have to do work arounds for my parents.
Now if my SS did something like this for DH, I would be all for it. If the SD's were to do it I would see it as a divide and conquer play. That's our dynamic.
They are leaving on March
They are leaving on March 28th. He still lives here rent free with no expenses. I am still very upset about this and I don't know what, if anything I shold do about this.
They are leaving on March
They are leaving on March 28th. He still lives here rent free with no expenses. I am still very upset about this and I don't know what, if anything I shold do about this.
They are leaving on March
They are leaving on March 28th. He still lives here rent free with no expenses. I am still very upset about this and I don't know what, if anything I shold do about this.
They are leaving on March
They are leaving on March 28th. He still lives here rent free with no expenses. I am still very upset about this and I don't know what, if anything I should do about this.
I don't blame you,
I don't blame you, newlife2013, for being upset about this vacation. There should only be two people in a marriage and it seems your stepson has overstepped his bounds by thinking he could take your wife away for a week long vacation without discussing it with everyone ahead of time. It wouldn't sit right with me if one of my husband's adult children surprised him with a vacation that didn't include me. My husband wouldn't like it if one of my adult children did the same. If he wants to spend time with his mother, he should take her to lunch!
Newlife, you have every right
Newlife, you have every right to be hurt and upset. People can point fingers back and forth over who is to blame, but one thing appears to be certain to me: You have done nothing to deserve this kind of treatment.
It does not sound like you are a controlling person, as evidenced by your support of your wife's annual trip with her friends which does not include you. You have encouraged her to continue to take those trips, and she does. That's because you see this as being important to her and something she enjoys doing.
As a couple, you both determined that NYC is a place you want to experience together for the first time. That seemed to be important to both her and YOU! Now she has unilaterally decided that she's going to have that experience with her son. When, and if, the two of you get to go is something that may or may not ever happen. After all, once she's spent her fun time there she will not be so eager to keep NYC on the top of her bucket list since she's "been there, done that."
Knowing this is a "dream" that you've had and just cutting you out of it without any consideration is just plain wrong and hurtful, IMO. Kids or no kids involvement, it's not the kind of behavior I would expect out of someone who is supposed to love and care about me.
P.S. For the record, I have
P.S. For the record, I have always been supportive of my SO taking vacations with his kids alone - and we always discussed it first. He has gone to places with them that neither he nor I have been to before, thus it was his "first" time visiting. BUT! ... they were not places we had decided we wanted to visit together for the first time - like you did with with NYC.
The trip is pretty much a
The trip is pretty much a done deal. I will have to live with it! But having an adult child living here at home is another issue. My wife and I are building a new home and we will be moving in sometime in April. He's moving in too! Apparently! Need advice on how to address this and let them know that I really don't want to house a full grown, abled body man!!
"Need advice on how to
"Need advice on how to address this and let them know that I really don't want to house a full grown, abled body man!!"
Sit down with your wife and tell her that he isn't moving into the new house. She can take him out apartment hunting and help him furnish his new place, won't that be fun! A mother and son bonding time. Point out that he can certainly afford to live on his own. Make sure she knows that he will be welcome to visit but not to live with you.
When she argues, tell her that this is not negotiable and that you won't be moving into the new house if her son does. And mean it, you should be putting money away in case this becomes a reality.
This man child needs to be on his own and she isn't doing him any favours.
Made up my mind!
Made up my mind!
The man-child has to go! I
The man-child has to go! I refuse to support an able bodied 25 year old man that will not man-up and do for himself. If his mother doesn't understand that the I will have to make a very hard decision rather or not to leave myself.
Remind her that you married
Remind her that you married her, not her son. That you love her, and you will only support her son to a certain extent. That it's time for the birdie to fly away from the nest.
Be prepared, some people will always choose their kids over their spouse. I'm living proof that you cannot overcome years of guilt and poor parenting decisions. It sucks to have a child take priority over you, but that is what she may do.
Bravo to you. Choose yourself, no matter the outcome.