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The trust is gone

floralsm's picture

If anyone has experienced this let me know I am not alone. 

I have a SD9 and SS11 and they lie. CONSTANTLY. So the trust for me is gone. The respect I have for them is gone. Has anyone ever trusted skids again? How did you get the trust back?? 

When DH speaks to SD and she says information about what she got up to.. I just can't help but not take her word. She and SS both took their locations off their phones when they realised he was tracking where they were. They both stopped bringing their phones to our home.. because they realised DH parental controls and monitors what they do on them. Clearly they have things to hide. We know they do because DH confronted them with it. 

BM now tells the school they are absent now in her week so DH doesnt get notified.. only because it was happening so often and when DH asked SD why she was not at school every day.. her lame excuses were getting old and she realised we can tell she is lying. Her Snapchat story showed her baking cookies when she should have been at school and when she realised we caught her in the act.. we see nothing now. 

She looks at me in the eye and lies about trivial things.. like her friends. I saw she informed BM that her friend's parents wouldn't let her come over and then says to me and DH 'Oh I am going over her house'. Why lie about that?? Oh right.. so then we don't know where she is.

What is getting hard now is DH is starting to resent me for not believing her. He is hurting that his wife and daughter are not getting on.. but farout she makes it damn hard for me to keep up the love. She tells him sweet things, and what she does, and who she sees.. and I just don't believe any of it or believe she is genuine. Based on her lies and sneaky ass behaviour.. I have no idea if she is telling the truth. So basically anything she says and does.. is up in the air for me.  

Our DD3 loves her big sister and brother.. but I don't trust her being alone with SD. She baits DD sometimes and now DD thankfully tells SD off loud enough for me to hear and SD quickly distracts her with something else before I can nip it in the bud. Phew my strong parenting is paid off and DD knows right from wrong.. but because of that, now SD doesnt want to play with her. Which is fine and not fine by me. If that makes sense. Fine as in I don't trust SD, but not fine because I don't like seeing DD hurt when her sister doesn't want to play with her. I can't win! So, I let DD3 hang out with me instead and SD and SS are happy not interacting with her. DH hates this. He invisions this happy brady bunch family with all 4 of his children.. but because our DD and DS is raised with morals and respect, and SS and SD are influenced by BM to LIE and be DISRESPECTFUL.. there is this vast difference between the kids. To be honest.. im sick of feeling like its all my fault.. because I say to him I dont trust your children. It is so draining. 

 

 

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ImperfectlyPerfect's picture

Once the trust is gone....it's gone. Protect yourself and manage around the lies. I haven't found that there's huge corrections in some of these maladaptive behaviors in SKIDs from childhood into adulthood- it usually carries through IMHO. 

floralsm's picture

So true. I'm a bit scared of the teenage years coming. They are going to lie about everything where they go, who they see. Drugs, alcohol, sex. Ugh it's going to be a nightmare if DH doesn't get a hold of it now. He is in the process of court order to get some control back of his children because BM is just so unhinged right now. 

Dogmom1321's picture

SD13 has already lied about vaping and DH has caught her red handed. Yes, I agree it will probably only get worse. But my mindset is that DH needs to handle it UNLESS something is happening in my own home. This absolutely I would say something too. 

MissK03's picture

Why does a 9 year old girl have snap chat stories??! DH needs to confront BM about internet usage etc. This is dangerous. He needs to go to BM about why she isn't in school. Her behavior is being taught by BM. 

floralsm's picture

Yep don't even get me started on what BM introduces to SD behind DH's back. He is currently working on court order to get some control back from his children including phones, ect. It's really bad what she's been exposed too. 

Rags's picture

I would open and close any interface with either of them with "So, are you lying?" and "Was that a lie?"  Every interface.

Push and you will eventually get a tearful "But I'm not lying this time."  Which is when you go in on a feeding frenzy of "Lie once, and you are lying every time."  

If your DH so much as gives you a sideways glance rip off his nads publically. "Your children are liars and I will not tolerate it. So, fix them or keep them the hell out of our lives. Your choice."

Nea

floralsm's picture

Yeah I do that, and even told her the other day.. mm I just don't know anymore what is the truth. She didn't seem phased, which is unfortunate because it means a lot to DH we all get along. Haha yes I will be sticking up for myself! It's tough road ahead for all of us as court order process is happening. I'm scared we will get the skids full time.. but at the same time DH can than parent them a lot better and squash the lies easier!

Lillywy00's picture

First of all EVERYONE lies. 
 

Now the extent to which people lie is the issue. 
 

People who pathologically lie, lie frequently, lie about any/everything, lie as a means of control/manipulation are more of a problem. 
 

Most kids will tell basic lies to get their way or to get out of trouble. 
 

You already know those kids be lying....they learned it from their parents....so instead of expecting them to change if their parents don't care is futile. Hopefully the bio parents can get on board with you about decreasing their lying especially to the people who feed, clothe, and take care of them 
 

If they keep lying at this rate then Just move accordingly. Like don't be one-on-one with them so they can't lie and say you abused or neglected them. Etc. 

floralsm's picture

Oh man been there done that unfortunately. When SD was 7 she lied and said we used to smack her. Both Dh and myself. Then because BM is so stupid and admitted that SD made it up, we have proof of her manipulating her with that. I told SD if she ever lied about anything serious like that again where we hurt her or neglect her in any way, I will call a police officer over to the house for her to tell them herself. Haha she never lied again about that and BM was furious SD was too scared to lie to that degree again to us. But at least that worked for us at the time.

Rags's picture

For sure kids at the very least go through phases of telling people what they think the people want to hear rather than telling the truth.

Most of us have done it in our youth.

My SS certainly did.  It was clear. When he was answering a question before it was fully out of our mouths... lie.  There were any number of other tells when he was lying as well.     

To avoid this we stopped asking him questions and instructed him to "show us......".  Instead of "Did you do your homework?"  We went with "Bring your homework to the table and walk us through it."  Odd how directing them to demonstrate an action ends the lies.  

Unknw

Another tactic we adopted is that instead of giving him multi step instructions, we gave him one. Then required he demonstrated the completion of that instruction.  Not by asking "Did  you finish it?". But swith "Show  us."

No more do this, then do that, and then .......  Do this. Period.Dot.  Show us it is done.  Then next instruction.  he hated  it, but it made our lives far less tense.

Cover1W's picture

Same reason I gave up talking and asking for any accountability of SDs. "I don't know" or silence was always the answer when I couldn't find something in common areas, things were broken, etc. So I installed locks, put nice things away forever (I should get some of those out now, to watch DH closely though with my crystal), and just stopped fixing things (DH then can figure it out if "no one" did it). 

I think if you just withdraw from it it will help. Don't ask, don't look, don't bring it up.

floralsm's picture

I do agree that will help my sanity. I was honest and told DH I stopped questioning the skids on their week at BMs in a casual way like 'So what did you get up to? How was your weekend?' Because who knows if that's true what they tell me? I don't bother now. 
Good idea about locking things away. We have a safe in our room and we will need to lock things in there before we leave them home alone at our house that's for sure!

Cover1W's picture

The only time I get directly involved is if it effects their safety or everyone's safety. I never ask about BMs time and what they do there because all we get is a shoulder shrug, but I'm sure everything here was reported on in detail.

I really stopped caring much. I can't force a relationship no one wants, especially if for some reason I'm not to be trusted, or DH isn't to be trusted. It's part of PAS I think, one parent is trusted and the other is not. For no reason. We've never given them issue to not trust except GEE oh, maybe holding standards and potentially requiring truth telling and admitting to mistakes? If that's not done, then there's no learning about accountability (see my latest blog on the thermostat in YSDs room).

Rumplestiltskin's picture

My SO's daughters are pathological liars. When i realized, i stopped believing anything they said, stopped trying to have a relationship with them based on trust and respect, and made it superficial only. I stopped fussing at SO about them, but it's easy for me because we don't live together. When he would tell me about some inconsistency, maybe i would say "Oh? But i thought you told me SD said x...." Just, like i was mildly confused but not upset or anything. He had no choice but to say "Well, that's not what ended up happening." He realizes now that anything that comes out of their mouths is as likely to be a lie as the truth. But if I had been the one to push, you know how it would have gone. 

floralsm's picture

Oh yeah I can definitely understand that position you are in. I feel that mildly confused dialogue is how SD and I communicate now. Hence why we don't talk a lot as to be a good liar you need a good memory and she's not intelligent at all so when I point out 'oh I thought you did this?' She clams shut and I think DH is getting frustrated at me for it. But I just hate being disrespected like that especially infront of my children and my home. I don't want my daughter to see she can do the same. 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

"But I just hate being disrespected like that especially infront of my children and my home."

Yeah, no way i could deal with that. 

Harry's picture

There's not much you can do.  DH must understand that BM is the problem, not you.  His idea of a "Hapoy Famiky " is gone jts doesn't exist anymore.  He can have one with you and your bio kids but not his first kids. You must disengage. Don't bother with SK,  let DH do all the cooking and cleaning after them.  If you can't have a say, you are not involved by his choice.

Dogmom1321's picture

Trust is gone with SD13. The lies she tells aren't white lies, they are manipulative. She says outright lies about people to gain sympathy. Years ago when I was 100% involved, she lied about me to BM. I don't see a situation when SD13 could ever really gain my trust back.

She has rejected DS3. It used to hurt my feelings, but now I view it as a blessing in disguise. They aren't ever alone together so it's nothing I have to worry about. I don't have to think about her qualities that could potentially rub off on him. DS3 doesn't even know what an involved "sister" looks like, so (as of now anyway) his feelings aren't hurt when SD13 doesn't play with him... because she NEVER has. And I am finally okay with that. 

Rags's picture

This type of Skid is why IMHO it is advised to raise a joint child with the message "You are an only child."  When there is one of these Skids in the mix anyway.

While SS was raised IRL as an only child, he is the eldest of 4 all out of wedlock Spermidiot spawned half sibs by three different baby mamas.

We did not have any other children.  Mostly because DW's lady bits docs strongly advised against it after her pregnancy with SS nearly did her in.  

SS was always cristal clear.  "Please do not have any more children mom and dad.  I like it being just us three."  The shallow shit puddle effluent filled gene pool he dealt with in SpermLand while on visitation took any interest in having a younger sib at home that SS might have had.

Of course we would never abdicate that or any authority to a kid, SS remained an only child in our famil and IRL.

Dogmom1321's picture

Good to hear. Rags, my only condudrum is how to explain this to DS3 when he gets older and if he starts asking questions. 

I feel like "____ is your half sister and has a different Mom." Is very matter of fact and can explain a LOT of questions. 

ex. Why does she get a TV in her room? Why does she not go to college? Why does she not visit? 

What would you say? I feel like DH would get defensive when I'm describing SD13 as a half sibling... but it's a fact. And also why she was raised differently. 

This is also much kinder than saying failed first family and spawn, which is what I would WANT to say, but bite my tongue.  Also teach him to NOT have a child with someone based on their physical appearance because it's extremely shallow and then they have a chance of being a psycho (in regards to BM). 

SMto3's picture

I've experienced that also. My SS24 and SS19 were lying from the day I met them. SS24 was 12 and he lied and acted like he was happy I was with DH, also acted like he was happy when I got pregnant and I found out later on he wasn't. He did the same thing your SD is doing, where he would lie about where he was, and DH never really cared or bothered to confirm. He also would just sweet talk DH (hey dad! how was your day? I want to be just like you!) and I feel like those words were enough to have DH never really want to question his son.

When they both began smoking, I told DH what my thoughts were but he was in big time denial. Now...they both struggle with an out of control marijuana habit. 

Fast forward 10+ years and now....SS24 struggles financially and with responsibility. So does SS19. SS24 never updated his checking address which we have asked him to do multiple times so they send letters when he overdrafts. He recently started doing this again (looks like he sends himself cashapp and overdraws his account when he is broke). It just makes me sad for them, because due to DH's poor parenting, they're the ones that are going to struggle with the results of that. And now that SS24 is a dad, that won't bode well for his son either.  

Elea's picture

They come by it honestly. BM is sneaky and manipulative but she is also transparent and stupid so it's not hard to see right through everything she does.

SD24 is especially passive about her lying. For example, SD has no regard for DH's time. She will knowingly pick a time that he is unavailable to forward screenshots of texts that she needs his help sorting out, such as health insurance info. When he texts her back something like "now is not a good time, let's talk later" then her response will be something like "I'm sorry I received these texts from the health insurance company" rather than "I'm sorry for forwarding texts to you when I knew it was a bad time to contact you." The way she twists herself into a pretzel to avoid taking accountability is maddening to me.