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The last couple of days have been rough...

Lemon65's picture

I posted in General Discussion a few days ago, and now everything has spiraled out of control.

Background: On Sunday, SD came over for a few hours. I was not feeling well, so I had gone back to bed. After SD left, SO was giving me the cold shoulder so I asked if something was wrong. He told me that he thought it was rude that I didn't come out of the room and say hello to SD. I decided to just leave it alone.

The following evening, I brought the issue up over dinner so that we could hash it out. It blew up into a huge fight about how I will never change and how he just wants me to have a good relationship with his daughter. We went to bed angry (him moreso than me) and since then he has pretty much been giving me the silent treatment. Yesterday, he approached me a couple of times and acted like things were going to be okay, but then he would turn around and start acting cold towards me again. Example: I asked him if we were seeing some of his family this Sunday and he said yes and that I can come if I want. I asked him what he meant by that and he said he didn't care. To me, this is very hurtful because I always want him there and would never tell him that I didn't care.

To be clear, I have never expressed dislike for his daugher and as far as I know, I do have a good relationship with her. I just don't think it is the relationship he would like us to have - he wishes we were closer. This is difficult because we really don't see her very often and she hasn't exactly made a huge effort to bond with me either. Since she is only 11, I don't expect her to, but I also don't understand why all of the blame is being placed on me. He has always put a lot of pressure on me to love and accept his daughter. However, he does things that breed resentement - like picking fights with me right before she comes over or not standing up for me to BM. I don't know what to do anymore, I am not disengaged and don't really want to be. Sometimes I will go to the bedroom and read while she's here, and I don't always participate in activities with her. But I am just being myself.

Anyway, I decided to text SO from work this morning to see if we can sit down and talk tonight. Here's how the conversation went:

Me: Can we sit down and talk tonight?

Him: I don't care

Me: I just want to talk, I don't want to argue. I am sorry that we fought the other night, that was never my intention. Do you still care about our relationship?

Him: I've decided that I'm going to put the same amount of energy and effort into it as you do

Me: I'm confused. Our argument was about SD, not about our relationship. They are two separate things.

Him: No they aren't

Me: Okay then, would you say that your relationship with SD and your relationship with me are also connected?

Him: I'm working

So there it is, he thinks that our relationship and my relationship with his daughter are the same thing, or somehow connected. I disagree. I do not want to fight about SD anymore, it is not helping the situation or helping me bond with her either. I understand why he wants to protect her, but he should also want to protect our relationship.

I still plan on talking to him tonight and I am in desparate need of advice. I just don't know where we go from here. Is our relationship really going to end because I didn't get out of bed when I wasn't feeling well to say hello to SD?

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JanRebecca's picture

Personally I think he's being unreasonable. She could have come to the door to say 'hi' to you if you were not feeling good. Ugh - you are in  a hard spot - Sorry I don't have better advice. Maybe it will blow over? 

notasm3's picture

I’m sorry, but I really don’t think this is about his daughter.   It sounds like he just “isn’t that into you” anymore.  All too many men are incapable of making an honest break. They use excuses and bad behavior to force the woman to make the decision to leave. 

I’d ask him for an honest answer about whether he wants you to leave. 

hereiam's picture

I have to wonder if something else is going on with him, seems like he is really over reacting and taking this personally.

My DH wanted me to be closer to his daughter than I was. BM was more interested in SD's brother than SD, and DH thought I could make up for that. I told him that it didn't work that way, I was not her mother and when she came over, it was to spend time with him, so if I wanted to do my own thing, I would. He got it and it did not affect our relationship, at all. I was friendly to SD (now 26), I did sometimes do things with them, but she is NOT my daughter.

So, in my case, my DH was hoping that I would fill some void that was left by BM but he did (when I laid it out for him) understand that BM was her mother and their relationship was what it was and it was not my problem. That's what happens when you choose to have a kid with a woman who has a personality disorder.

There is some underlying reason that he so desperately wants you to be more attentive to his daughter. To ease his own stress, make up for BM's shortcomings, something. He either doesn't know, exactly, and doesn't want to dig deep enough to figure it out, or he doesn't want to admit what the issue is. Either is unacceptable because it's affecting your relationship.

Lemon65's picture

I agree that he's overreacting and I am also wondering if this is about something more than SD. I am at a loss because everything has been great - we just purchased our first home, we've been busy making improvements to it, we've been busy with friends and family, and we are going on vacation at the end of this month.

However, we have a had a couple of conversations about his expectations of me and my relationship with his daughter. But they didn't lead to any arguments and I thought we were finally reaching an understanding. I guess I was wrong.

Siemprematahari's picture

Your SO can't force you and SD to bond. This has to happen naturally and on its own. You were in your room and were not feeling well. His daughter could have just as easily greeted you and kept going on her merry way. You are putting an effort to discuss this and he's acting like a jerk with "I don't care". How old is he anyway? I mean really his behavior is childish and if he doesn't want to talk about it then to h@ll with him too. I don't have the patience for BS anymore Lemon so please forgive me if I have limited amount of f@cks to give. If you both can't openly communicate then you are in for a heck of a ride when it comes to your relationship and SD. Hope you both can hash this out.

bearcub25's picture

This exactly.   

My DSO was of the same frame of mind, especially after BM lost custody.  As the skids grew older and he saw the way they treated me, he doesn't push it anymore.  

Does he just want that 'happy family unit' and if you aren't playing that part, he feels the whole relationship is no good?  

queensway's picture

This is really what he is saying, but but but she is Daddys Little Girl. She is my snowflake so either you treat her the way I want or I am going to be a total d!ckhead to you. I am a score keeper and if I see you do something that I don't like I will play the game and treat you the same way. Because everything is about SD.

If you did the same thing to someone else like you did to his snowflake daughter he would be just fine with it. Sometimes it just plain sucks to have a SD. Sorry he is acting like a big man baby.

justmakingthebest's picture

Anyone who sees a child's relationship on the same level as spouse/partner is wrong. Plain and simple. In 7 years his daughter will be an adult. Will you guys just split or divorce at that point because SD isn't a child anymore? 

When it comes to our children and step children - their NEEDS must be met before our own. However, too many people don't understand needs vs. WANTS. If your relationship is ever to survive he is going to have to place that as a #1 priority. If he doesn't there is no hope and be glad you guys aren't married yet. 

dysfunctionally_blended's picture

That is baby talk for men, the I don't cares. It is bullshit and you should take it as such. 

His problem is that his little princess wants control and all attention on her. And she has Daddys ear right now. 

You did nothing wrong. But what you should have done is turn it back around where it should be. 

'Hey DH I was wondering if SD said anything to you about being upset with me. I know I wasn't feeling well and was dozing off a bit when she arrived but she didn't come say hi to me. Just don't want there to be an issue.' 

You KNOW the brat won't make the effort so show daddy the truth. Dont take his crappy attitude of pushing blame everywhere but where it should be. And don't let him talk baby man talk to you. Either he can adult and have a conversation or he can't and you do your own thing. Let him visit family alone. If he wants to work it out you are there and if he doesn't well you can't force him to. 

Lemon65's picture

That's just it - I asked him if SD was upset that I didn't come out of the bedroom, and he said no. She is very easy going and I know she wouldn't have said anything. This isn't even about her, it's about him and his insecurities as a parent. I think maybe part of him is afraid of being with someone who dislikes or resents his daughter? However, I don't dislike or resent her - I will just never love her the way he does. But it doesn't matter what I say, it seems that he's made up his mind.

queensway's picture

Lemon let me ask you something do you think that your SO would be throwing such a man baby hissy fit if SD did this to you? Do you think he would be acting this way to SD? I bet he wouldn't.

Lemon65's picture

No, I know for a fact he wouldn't. Don't get me wrong, she is a sweet kid and has never treated me with disrespect. However, it feels very one-sided that I am supposed to make this huge effort to have a close relationship with her when to be honest, she doesn't even make much of an effort to have a close realtionship me or SO.

lieutenant_dad's picture

So long as you are willing to apologize for your (perfectly fine) behavior, he is going to continue to beat you down.

You did NOTHING wrong. Do you know how many times I have been sick and not interacted with the kids? Do you know how many times I have gone out and done my own thing? Do you know how many concerts/events I have missed? Loads.

Do you know how many times AFTER I set my DH straight that he has tried to make me feel guilty about it? ZERO.

Right now, on this trajectory, your marriage is basically over because your DH doesn't want to make it work. He wants you to roll over and do what he wants, and he wants to punish you for not falling in line.

So, you can either fall in line and know this is what your marriage will be like, or you can stand your ground. You have NOTHING to apologize for. You aren't disengaged, you like your SD, and I assume you treat her well. If your DH can't accept that you are gojng to treat his daughter not like your daughter, then he can crawl back into bed with BM.

"DH, I care about SD, but I will never care about her like you do. That isn't a failing on my part. She is not my daughter. As much as you may want her to be, you did not create her with me. I love her, and I will do many things for her. However, my relationship with her WILL be different than it is with you or with BM. That is okay, and that is not only natural for me, but also for SD.

If you cannot accept this, then please let me know and we can end this relationship. I will wish you the best of luck. However, I will not allow you to punish me for your perception of my lack of caring. I care as much as I can. I put my all into my relationship with you and her. If you wish to continue to punish me, then we are done.

If you have something specific and tangible that you would like me to do differently, tell me and I will consider changing my behavior. If, however, you have no guidance for me and cannot accept what I offer now, then we are through."

Be confident when you say this. Don't apologize. Don't yell. Don't cry. Deliver it as plainly and calmly as possible. If he tries to argue, yell, etc., just state "I have stated my peace, and I have no more discuss; please let me know when you have made a decision."

During this brooding, act as you always will. Let him know that his bullying will not shake you. Let him know that you will be fine whether he is there or not. Show him that your life continues no matter helis shenanigans, and the only person he is punishing is himself.

You have NOTHING to lose by being brave and standing up for yourself. You have a lot to lose if you let him beat you down. Choose wisely.

Lemon65's picture

Thank you, Lieutenant! I like your response. I definitely plan to ask him about his expectations and whether or not he can give me tangible things that he would like me to work on. That's part of the problem - he has never shared with me his expectations, and gets upset with me when I don't meet them. That's part of what makes it so hurtful, I am always blindsided.

Merry's picture

Yes. Totally this.

Do not chase after him, do not get sucked into his little hissy, and do not try to cajole him out of his bad mood. It is not your job to fix his emotions. Talk about the problem? Sure. But if he blames or pouts or tries to make this your fault, just bring the conversation back to the beginning. Keep repeating the same darn thing if you have to -- "I love her, but my relationship will be different from yours or BMs." If he gets mad, walk away. He can have his manbaby fit all on his own.

second1's picture

Do you think it is possible that he was upset that he had to handle SD on his own, play with her, feed her, etc. and resented the fact you weren't around to take on some of the load?  If that is the case, he won't want to say that because it is, after all, his daughter, and you'd tell him that so he found some other reason to have an issue with you about and be nasty.  I'd just leave it alone and if he makes further comments just tell him you are sorry he feels that way but you didn't feel well and there is nothing you can do about his expectations now since he didn't share them with you prior to SD coming over.

Lemon65's picture

I don't think that's why he is upset since she only came over for a few hours (she had plans later). They sat in the basement and watched a movie. She's pretty easy to spend time with, easy going, not demanding at all.

However, it does upset me that he never, NOT ONCE has told me his expectations and then when I don't meet them, he's upset. Like I am just supposed to know that I am not allowed to stay in the bedroom when I don't feel well? And if that were the case, why didn't he just poke his head in and ask if I wanted to say hi?

Powerfamily's picture

I give him a taste of 'I don't care' means.  As in if he is not going to have an adult conversation about what has happen over the last few days, then I would make it clear to him that if he doesn't care you will put in the same amount of energy and effort as he thinks you do.

So no cooking, cleaning and general looking after him.  And see how long it takes him to register that you are doing so much more then he imagines.

 

DaizyDuke's picture

What an ass.  You said you get along with SD?   So what is his issue?????  Does he want you to build an SD altar and worship at that when she is not there?  Does he want you to greet her at the door with rose petals and hugs and kisses?  Does he want you to spoon with her on the couch??  What??  What exactly is his issue?? 

And do these idiots realize that by making a big hairy deal out of NON ISSUE skid stuff, it really DOES make a big hairy deal out of skids?  And who really wants to be around, talk about or like something that is always a big hairy deal??  It's like putting your hand on the hot stove.  The first time you are like owww!!  And you vow to never do that again and you are cautious of the hot stove.  The second time, you are like damn, I should have known better, but I will be more guarded now!  By the 28th time you don't even want to walk in the kitchen, much less be anywhere near the stove. 

Lemon65's picture

I couldn't agree more! If you don't want me to resent your child, then you probably shouldn't start fights with me about my relationship with her. Even though I know it's not her fault, I am eventually going to start blaming her for the demise of our relationship. But hey, since he thinks that our relationship and my relationship with his daughter are the same thing, then it should make perfect sense to him when I no longer want anything to do with her...or him!

strugglingSM's picture

My DH and I have had the same argument - where he accuses me of being stand-offish around his kids, but will begrudgingly admit that his children are also stand-offish with me. I think he gets defensive and feels hurt for his kids because he thinks they are wonderful and deserve everyone to think they're wonderful. I'm sure it hurts him that I don't think his kids are the most amazing kids I've ever met. It also causes me consternation that he has something that is so important to his life that is not important to mine. I think my DH also still feels guilty about his divorce, sad that he only sees his kids EOWE, upset / powerless that BM is not parenting the kids in ways he would like them to be parented (i.e. high expectations, personal responsibility, etc). I've told him that I feel like he's externalizing a lot of those feelings on to me. He will sometimes agree that yes, he probably is doing that, but he also doesn't like to talk about this. 

I think this issue is the root of why second marriages with kids often don't work. Divorced dads (or moms) often have lots of baggage due to their divorce with kids (I don't see the same issue with divorced people without kids) and they bring their baggage into their second marriage and let that destroy their relationships, blaming their new SO instead of their own issues. 

Lemon65's picture

I agree, he is taking his own insecurities out on me. I think he feels guilty for not spending a lot of time with SD and not having a closer relationship with her. I have a lot of sympathy for him because it wasn't his choosing. SD was PAS'd out at a young age. BM let a new man move in less than a year after leaving SO and either let SD or encouraged SD to start calling him "Dad". She currently still calls her stepfather "Dad" and calls SO by his first name. BM even moved with SD to another state, was only there for 4 months, but lied to SO telling him she was living there for an entire year so that he could not see SD.

At the time all of this happened, he did not have the money to hire a lawyer, go to court or travel. What money he did have, BM used to pay off her student loans before she left. Once SD got older and he was able to start spending time with her again, he felt that taking BM to court would have too much of a negative impact on SD and he didn't want to uproot her from her life and routine.

We only see SD once a week for a few hours and SO is still accused of being a horrible father by BM. Maybe he thinks that me having an awesome relationship with SD would be the key to the father/daughter relationship he has always wanted? I don't know.

I am torn because part of me wants to stand my ground, but then part of me wants to move past this because I cannot stand how cold he is being towards me.

Paintcrisis's picture

I don’t know your backstory, Lemon to know what kind of parent your SO is but. . .

My ExH would get terribly angry at me for similar nonissues and what it boiled down to was, he didn’t want to parent but wanted me to do it. When I didn’t, he behaved the same way your SO is acting.

He never did get his head out of his a$$ but continued to be angry when I didn’t act like a mom. Eventually, we split and it was such a relief not to be around such anger.

His issue really was the parenting thing. He didn’t want to do it, so it was my job.

Lemon65's picture

I am sorry that your relationship didn't work out. Unfortunately, I don't think our issue is so cut and dry. We really only see SD for a few hours each week and we don't have to do a lot in the way of parenting. Not to mention, he spent tons of one-on-one time with her before I came along and it was never an issue.

ESMOD's picture

Unless you make a point of feigning illness every time his daughter is in the house.. I don't see why he got so bent out of shape.  Now if you had what appeared to be a spontaneous miracle cure the minute that front door slammed I might see how he could view that as your way of avoiding his daughter and he feels that is rude.

Unfortunately, you can't produce a mother daughter bond out of whole cloth.  She has a mother for better or worse and you are her step-mother and she may or may not even want to have a close bond with you inspite of what HE wants.  Plenty of kids still mommy-worship when they have horrible mothers that pay them no attention.  Also, you may not be someone who particularly gets along with kids.  I know I am childless and there were some things about having my DH's kids around that took some getting used to.  He can't expect you to instantly develop that primal bond that parents and kids have. 

I'm not saying that you may not come to have a great mentor style relationship with the girl but it won't work if he just constantly shoves you in a room together and tells you to "love her like your own".   It needs to happen organically.

Now, that also means that you have to be willing and interested to move in that direction and perhaps if you weren't totally incapacitated that you could have come out to say hello.  Not saying it is required.. but it might have been in the spectrum of nice to do so.  Of course, if you were dealing with a blinding migrane.. I can certainly understand being in the room alone in the dark..lol.

I think he is personalizing the relationship with her as in .... If you don't accept and love my daughter.. you must not love me.  I would try to assure him that you do in FACT accept his daughter is part of his life and she is welcome in your home.. but that you feel the point of her visits is primarily to see him.. not his wife.  Of course you would be happy to join them on adventures and doing activities but feel your presence in those shouldn't always be necessary and that he certainly would want some alone time with his child.

TrueNorth77's picture

Did you talk to your DH? How did it go? I'm curious because I was in this exact situation last wknd. SO was acting all irritated and pouty, eventually told me he feels I'm not making enough effort with skids, I seem annoyed by them a lot, I don't go outside and play with them, they are goofing around in the kitchen and I stay in the living room instead of coming to see what they are doing (really??), and that SS12 doesn't come hang in the living room when I'm home, so he wonders why that is (as he stares at me accusingly). I don't know SO, it couldn't possibly be because SS is 12 and obsessed with video games, and doesn't get as much attention from you when I'm there so he figures, why bother?

I did make him see some valid points about how I have a good relationship with skids and I treat them well, it's normal for adults to be annoyed at kids, and no parents are always both playing with kids all the time!! I stood my ground and told him I'm doing my best, but I'm not going to bend over backward to pay attention to skids. Things have been fine since, but I'm afraid it will rear its ugly head again.

Lemon65's picture

Hi Step-girlfriend! We did talk and hash things out, but I honestly don't remember how the conversation went. However, we had a similar discussion yesterday because I asked for some alone time this weekend while SD is at our house. I let him know that I don't feel the same way about spending time with SD as he does and that's okay. I care for her and most of the time I like being around her, but sometimes I also like to have time to myself. He has been able to cancel on her whenever he wants, but I am never given a choice. I let him know that he has canceled on her more times than I have chosen not to participate due to being ill or otherwise unavailable. I basically told him that I will not tolerate the anger or disappointment from him because it is my weekend too and I will choose what I do with my time. That doesn't mean that I will never be there for SD, it just means that I shouldn't be required to. He accepted all of this and it didn't lead to an argument. Then again, I have gone through some hard times recently so maybe he's just being nice. We shall see...

TrueNorth77's picture

Good! Hopefully he really heard you and is trying to understand. Sometimes I fear they are just sick of arguing and let it go, only to be stewing about it...