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My Kid Came Out as Trans

Rumplestiltskin's picture

I know several on here have dealt with skids who are trans, so you may have some experience. My daughter told me last night that she (who I will refer to as they from here on) is trans and plans to go forward with transitioning when they turn 18, which is in a few months. They want to start taking testosterone and have a double mastectomy, though they say they don't want "bottom surgery" for a while, maybe never. They also stated they have been going by a different name for over a year to their friends and said my son (away at college) also knows and is accepting. 

I was not completely shocked. As a child, they were always very "boyish." If someone bought them girly toys or clothes for Christmas, they would put them in the coat closet and recommend donating them to "poor kids" (they were like 5 at the time.) I would try to encourage them to behave as a girl, but still express their individuality such as wearing a pantsuit instead of a dress, but still from the girls' section. They came out as gay in 8th grade, and the whole family was accepting. But, over the past 3-ish years, they have been visibly struggling. Went from top student (THE top student, like student of the year) to struggling to pass classes. Has had depression and anxiety and has been to multiple therapists and on multiple meds. I blamed the COVID measures on a lot of it, since it all seemed to start during the time everyone was quarantined. Being in healthcare I still had to go to work, a lot, so they were home alone a lot. Started dressing in a sort of "goth trucker" theme, self-tattoing, and gained almost 75 lbs.

I know this isn't some passing phase, and I support them living as a masculine lesbian, but the thought of changing their physical body with hormones and surgery seems like self-mutilation to me and I feel sick thinking about it. I also don't have money to pay for it. I want them to be healthy, happy, and successful, and i've read about the high suicide rate among trans people and also horror stories of surgical complications, hormone side effects, and people who regret it afterward but have done irreversible damage to their bodies. I also fear that since this is all they are thinking about, they aren't planning for their future besides being male. If they could magically become a healthy, fully functioning male and then move forward with life, that would be one thing, but the technology to do that just doesn't exist. 

I guess what I'm doing posting this is looking for others' experiences. Do any of you know anyone who is living as a healthy, well-adjusted adult after transitioning? Any recommended resources for learning more about this? Everything i've read so far seems biased, on one side or the other. I want to act in a way that supports my kid in their best interests. I really don't know how to proceed. 

 

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CLove's picture

Sending good vibes your way, as well as kiddos way. 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

Thank you. I just want to help them. I told them i love them and am proud of them. I know they are struggling and i don't want to do anything to make things worse. 

justmakingthebest's picture

I would try and push them to wait until closer to 25 for surgery. That is when the brain is fully developed and they will have a better sense of self. Maybe they will be ok with waiting a little while and see how the hormones work. I'm not sure how insurance coverage works for things like this but I don't think it's something covered by most. Don't financially support them either in this effort, at least for now. 18 is too young to make this decision. I would rather them get married at 18 than have these surgeries, at least there is divorce and you can move on. Removal of breasts is forever. Even if the decide to get implants later, that surgery is so extreme. The take tissue from your stomach or thighs to recreate the breast. It looks like Frankenstein. There is no sensation, no nipple. Just try to convince them to wait for a few years to decide 100% on the permanent things. 

Hormones, sure, go for it. Clothes, binders, anything cosmetic- fully support! Go to counseling together. Find someone who isn't pushing an agenda but genuinely wants to help them be ok. No matter what that looks like on the outside, they need to be good in their heart and head. 

ESMOD's picture

I'm "old".. and while there certainly was a good amount of popular lbgtq type influences in media when I was a teen (Bowie, Boy George, George Michael...etc... ).. I would say that local to us.. it wasn't as big of a thing to see many people in real life going in that direction.. being a military family .. our universe was probably a bit smaller too.  Since Graduation, a few classmates have come out.. but it certainly wasn't as much of a "thing" as it is now.. and whether it was because of worry at being accepted.. or whether it was because kids didn't really think of it as an option.. and if they had leanings didn't see that as a possibility.

I will preface this to say that I do feel that people are, to a certain extent, born with some inclination and wiring in their brains towards being more masculine or feminine.. and to attractions.  I do think that there are a lot of kids out there that are searching out or looking for something in their lives because they are unhappy.. dealing with mental health struggles.. or even are looking to rebellion.  I'm not trying to take away from people that are truly dealing with gender dysmorphia.(sp?)... but sometimes I think it's kids who just don't know who they are.. or where they fit in .. teen angst.. that leads them this direction.

I was a very, very masculine leaning child.. refused dresses.. refused any girly direction.. at 5 quit ballet the first day of class.. got kicked out of the brownies.. liked boy stuff.. etc..   But... when I was probably 14.. I did start to gravitate to more fem things.. though I still enjoy drinking a cold one with my DH and his friends.. don't really enjoy shopping.. like casting a line and catching fish.. more than my dH does..haha.. and while I do have some more fem qualities.. am still kind of tomboyis in many ways...

So, I wonder if some of it is people rejecting a club before or because it rejects them?  Teens with little dating success.. or interest.. feel something's wrong with them.. they must be not "typical".. etc.. and it certainly is much more accepted and in some circles even encouraged to explore these possibiilities.

I guess in short.. I do think it's real for some people.. but probably not for the amount of kids that try on that persona when they are young.. But.. being dismissive of it to your child wouldn't be fruitful either.

I think the big thing to do is to be as educated as possible about the risks of transitioning meds.. and the risks of unneccessary (medically) surgery.  I would encourage them to put off medical intervention as long as possible.. and to insist (as far as you can insist with an adult).. that they seek out some legit therapy to help them work through these ideas... to make sure it's a reality vs an attempt to escape or deal with other stressors.

dressing.. presenting as a different gender is fine.. be as masculine as they want to be.. but hold off on meds until they can truly weigh the risks.

Rumplestiltskin's picture

"So, I wonder if some of it is people rejecting a club before or because it rejects them?"

They did go through a phase around the beginning of 8th grade where they embraced being more feminine. Wore makeup and skirts. They were very popular at that time, tried dating a guy. But, then they were secretly dating a girl, another popular cheerleader. The girl's mom found out and told the principal and other parents, and sent the girl to religious school. My kid still stayed feminine for a while. Was elected to homecoming court even. But, the school administrators and other girls' parents treated them differently and i'm sure that rejection was hard. I didn't find out how bad it was until after the COVID stuff, because it all happened around the same time and being in healthcare things were just so crazy. I feel like i dropped the ball there. I also wonder if my preoccupation with my SO, his 4 kids, his BMs, the ex-partes, and all that entailed led me to miss signs. My mom died during that time too. I wasn't as present as i could have been. I will always regret not seeing how bad things got for my kid. 

SteppedOut's picture

I would really be looking into the hormone consequences. Osteoperosis is a concern. Even the "not permanet" medical avenues can have grave results.

Lillywy00's picture

That's excellent that you want to be supportive. 
 

Just opionion only but I do think being older than 18 like at least 25 would be better for irreversible changes. 18 is still so young and "figuring things out" stage imo
 

But other than that I'm sure your kiddo will appreciate the efforts you make to be as supportive as you can

Rumplestiltskin's picture

I agree about waiting until they are older for irreversible changes. Since they have already gone through puberty, the result at 25 (or even 22) will be similar to the result at 18. I suggested they focus on finishing high school and getting away from this town (small town in deep south) before making major decisions. Have some life experience somewhere besides here. I'm just afraid that fixating on transitioning is a way to avoid thinking about other aspects of the future. 

Dawn-Moderator's picture

My Dh's sister's kid is trans.  They were born female.  Started dating a guy in high school.  This guy came out as gay.

Niece came out as trans and started taking hormones.  Their voice changed and they grew facial hair.

Trans nephew and boyfriend eventually got married.

Fast forward to now......they decided they wanted a baby.  Went off hormones and had multiple miscarriages.

They are now pregnant and due in January.

I guess they had to stop the hormones and will go back on them after the baby is born.

I guess if they are going to breast feed, it's a good thing they didn't have surgery right away.

Rumplestiltskin's picture

That is interesting and sounds like a success story. It sounds like they have a successful relationship and are happy with their life. I'm glad the hormones aren't irreversible. 

advice.only2's picture

Have they started seeing a therapist who can help them deal with transitioning?  Have they started looking to support groups of other trans people who have transitioned or are in the process?  Have they begun researching medically what this will cost THEM (not you), and what they can expect from taking the hormones and from removing their breast tissue?  

When my BD17 decided she wanted to be trans at 14 I made her do her research of what she was going to be getting herself into, I also told her we needed to find a therapist who had knowledge in transgender people and who knew how to help them process all of this.  It didn’t take long for BD17 to decide she really wasn’t trans.  I am not insinuating in anyway your child is not, but they need to start doing their research and understanding what this will cost and how it will affect them mentally and emotionally.  

If you have never watched the show “I am Jazz” maybe watch it.  For me it was a cautionary tale of what happens when you allow a child to make such a monumental decision about their body at such a young age.  Jazz to this day still struggles mentally and physically despite claiming she would just be happy once she finally got her bottom surgery.

I think your child understanding what they need out of life is great, but at 17 they don’t always understand how long life really can be.  I hope with your support they can begin processing what all this entails and understand the effects it will have on them.  Wishing all of you the best of luck and safe journey on this path.

Rumplestiltskin's picture

I don't think any of her 3 therapists had expertise in trans issues. One of them did specialize in "minority role strain", such as kids who were a different race or orientation, but that therapist also believed in keeping parents completely out of the loop, so idk really what went on. Something tells me finding one around here will be tough, but maybe online is an option. 

ESMOD's picture

That's kind of the issue.. kids fixate on.. "once I do X.. I will be happy".. they assign all their unhappiness to the idea that they were born into the wrong body.. and while that might be true for some.. I think a whole lot of kids are just looking for an answer.. or a place they fit in.. and end up thinking that must be what's "wrong" with them.. 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

I asked them, "So you become a guy. Then what? Have you thought about your future?" They haven't. That concerns me deeply. The last therapist was one i picked because i noticed my kid was struggling with school and not planning for the future. My kid decided they don't want to go back, kept finding excuses to miss appts, and they admitted last night that it was because they felt the therapist wasn't taking the trans stuff seriously. Part of me wonders if, once the transition happens, my kid will then start to move forward with other life plans. But everything i've read says that the transition takes years, even decades, and becomes the focus of the individual's life. I honestly wish i could wave a magic wand and they would be a real boy, but my fear is that even if they move forward on the transition, they still won't be happy but will have health issues and (my biggest fear) deep regret. 

ESMOD's picture

There is a country song about a guy.... who pines after every age milestone.. wants to get to 16.. because it will be all great they will drive.. then 18.. so they can go off to school.. be an  adult.. then 21.. when they can drink.. etc..

What I wouldn't give to be eighteen, wild and free
Buzzin' off a can of that Grizzly wintergreen
Lookin' old enough to pull off this fake ID
I'll be right where I wanna be when I'm eighteen, eighteen
Eighteen, yeah... 

I know they struggled with that one therapist.. but I think you really need to help them find one that they can talk to about this.

In the end.. if it means your financial support.. you can withhold that with regards to hormones and surgery.. if your child is dead set on pursuing that.. they will need to financially figure that out.. which will mean focusing on other things aside from the transition.

I would tell them you fully support them exploring this identity and that you will refer to them and treat them as the gender they want to identify with.. but the extent of financial support is going to be therapy.. but you don't support medication or surgery at their age.. so if they want to go that route.. they will need to work those logistics and finances out on their own.

Rags's picture

to nearly constantly keep an appliance installed to maintain vaginal depth, the family is seriously jacked up though they do much to be supportive.

No kid should ever be allowed to do the transition surgeries. That can wait until they are fully self supporting adults.

All IMHO of course.

Once the bits are cut off etc..... there really is no going back to what they were pre transition surgery. There are any number of transitioned adults who change their minds and can never again be what the were prior to transition surgeries.

I am fully supportive of providing emotional and therapy support. But.. the surgeries should be on the kid once they are adult.  The parent has to protect that child from themselves until they are no longer a child (minor).  Including protecting them from themselves.

IMHO of course.

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classyNJ's picture

My nephew is trans.  Always tomboyish and stated she was trans at the age of 16.  Did wait until 25 to start the transition.  This was all with full and loving support of our entire family and friends.  It took a little over 2 years with a lot of therapy.  A Lot.  

We all went to therapy groups together.  First because we had sooo many questions that some of us felt uncomfortable asking without insulting them and 2nd so that he could hear our concerns of his future, marriage, children, etc.

He is a successful banker, married with a 4 year old boy they adopted and just had a baby girl 3 months ago from donated sperm.  Smile

He did teach me that, yes it was hard on his parents and some of the family members, but it was so much harder on him.  They question themselves every second of the day on everything.  Should i or shouldn't I, why can't I be what everyone wants me to be, will they still love me if I do change, etc.  

AlmostGone834's picture

I don't want to give the wrong advice because full disclosure, I have zero experience in this but... I would definitely agree on the waiting a while, experiencing the world beyond the small town, etc because the more people they meet, from all different walks of life, maybe gain some new friends, happiness increases... then I bet would be in a better head space to make this decision and maybe it wouldn't feel so much like this is something that NEEDS to happen asap. 

College is great for this, there are groups of like-minded individuals who can offer advice, peer support, etc all while they pursue their education. 

NoWireCoatHangarsEVER's picture

And two step daughters I have seen so so many girls wanting to transition to being males. I think there is a reason for it . I think they see how hard it is to be a woman and it freaks them out to be ogled and sexualized. I would say every single one of my kids friends transition back but then again they were all feminized children. My sister's stepson is transitioning to be a woman and she is 19. The surgery and hormones would make me extremely wary and nervous as well. I think it's very easy for me at least to spot in my children's friends who is really trans and who is just jumping on the trendy bandwagon. They change their pronouns and genders and names like they change their underwear. I still abide by their wishes and use whatever pronoun and name even if it's a moon person made up gender and sometimes it is. It's hard to take some of these kids seriously but you never know when a real trans kid is watching and hoping for acceptance and a safe space and ally. It irritates me when they use the trans movement just to try and get attention because I think it makes a joke of the struggle that real trans people experience and diminishes their cause but I try and remember that these are teens trying to find themselves.  You know your child best. I personally would take him more seriously since you saw many masculine traits as a child but I agree it's definitely not without risks. My coworker lost his trans daughter to cancer in her 30's and I do believe the cancer was a result of the hormone therapy. Giant hugs for you. It's hard 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

I made a request on my area's Reddit board asking about therapists and the same few names kept coming up. I'm going to call Monday and try to set up an appt with one of them. I might find myself a therapist, too. That's probably long overdue for a lot of reasons lately. I appreciate all the replies and advice from everyone. 

Rags's picture

parent is a delicate one.

I would let them know that they are on their own with the transition surgeries.  That you love them, support how they identify but that you cannot and will not be supportive of them hacking pieces of their body off.

If they choose to pay for it themselves once they not only reach the age of majority but are fully self supportive, then that is their choice.

My condolences on your child's severe case of body dismorphia. 

Though not the same level of challenge either as a parent of for the kid, our son came out to his mom and I as a gay man when he was 22.   He has struggled to reset and grow up as a gay man.  He came to the realization when he was 18.  He dated young women in HS, had both male and female friends, and was for the most part a reasonably happy and well adjusted young adult.

Once he realized he was gay, he had a few rough years as he worked through the realization, the guilt feelings that something was wrong with him, and reconciling the whole process for himself. 

As his dad, I was relieved and not at all surprised. I had suspected for a number of years and was confident of it when he was about 17.  I "knew" before he did.  His mom was blind sided.  We both wish he had come to this realization earlier so we could be there for him.   When he came out I told him that he was our son, we loved him and that this did not change a thing for us as a family.  I did make one request of him. Keep his head in the game, be fully aware of his surroundings at all times, and protect himself because not everyone would be accepting of it.  Life could be hard enough and this might make it more difficult for him.  

After a brief pause he said. "Dad, you know me. I do not like attention.  I am not going to put on leather chaps and a tutu with my butt hanging out and march in some parade."  All three of us laughed through tears at that.  Not tears of hurt, tears of love. He is an outstanding man of character, honor, and standing in his profession and community.  His mom and I are very proud of the man who is our son.  He is a masculine beautiful man.  Male  fitness model beautiful.  A chisled jaw line, tall slender and muscular, with a perfect beard that he can grow by lunchtime after shaving in the morning. I am jelouse of his beard. Mine looks like an albino Chia-pet with mange if I try to grow one.  He gets the beauty from his mom (though not the beard). He is my former SS who asked me to adopt him when he was 22. We made that happen.

If he had dropped the actively transitioning trans realization on us, I believe we would have been supportive of his new identification though not suportive of him wrecking his body and health.