How do you handle Narcissistic Bullying Adult Stepchildren
I really need some help sorting all this out.
SD is 33 has 1 kid(1yo)/ She and her brother 31 have bullied me from day 1. We went to a counselor several years ago. He told DH he had put his children on an alter and made them god like and
they believe it. They feel they own their parents. That him and his wife had created narcissistic children. He did not like what the counselor said so we did not go back.
SO SD pulled somethings over Christmas I put in another post. DH says he now can see her for who she is. That her personality is never going to change and that we just have to protect ourselves from her.
DH goes to see her and her kid every 2 weeks at her house. He wants a relationship with the kid. I have never seen the kid.
With what SD did at Christmas, he said we have to make her think that she did not get to you and that everything is fine. She gave him 6 presents and wrote me a card that she forgives me for the past.( no apology from Her) When she called to see if DH liked all his presents. He told he did and how wonderful they all were and thanked her repeatedly. He told her I said thank you for the card, and that I like it.
SO now she thinks she got away with bullying me again. DH says if he confronts her then she will not let him see grandkid. DH says that if I just stay away from her and don't go around her she can't bully me anymore. (Last time I saw her was 2 and 1/2 years ago at her Princess Diane wedding) I told him she still bullies me even if I never see her.
DH wants me to act like nothing is wrong and now go around her.(once in a while, he will continue to see her and kid by himself every 2 weeks.) I feel like DH does see who she really is but he wants to see the kid.
How do I deal with my feelings that I am still be treated the same way I always have been. How do I not resent DH when he goes around her? How do I not hate SD even more than I do now Knowing that she will never be called on carpet for her actions. I do think DH is seeing my side more but he is also protecting his want of having his cake and eating it too.
So with a narcissist do you have to just get used to the bulling? I do not want to go anywhere near her because she is good at what she does and making people around her think she is so nice. I do not want to get sucked back in again to her evil world.
So a situation has come up that I would have to be around her. DH says I should and I would just have to say hello and be nice and see the grandkid. I am scared. I don't want to be around her. I don't want her to think that everything is OK and she can start coming around. I don't want her in my life and I don't want to be in hers. I don't want to be around someone who thinks they bullied me yet again and got a way with it.
If I say no they DH thinks I am being the hard one and defends SD. What do I do? How do I handle this and future situations?
If any of you have had to deal with a Narcissist you know how horrible it is and what it does to your self esteem. I can't go back to letting her ruin myself esteem.
Help!
The best way to deal with a
The best way to deal with a narcissist is to not deal with them.
Do not go.
Tell your DH that he will simply have to accept that you will NEVER be around her. When he starts saying that you are being unreasonable or that you have to be the adult stop him.
Tell him that maybe if he’d told SD that she was being unreasonable or that she should take the high road (whatever argument he’s using on you) the two of you wouldn’t be in this situation.
Then walk away.
Be prepared for him to be pissy and angry. Again, point out to him that if he’d dealt with SD he wouldn’t be angry right now.
You can not change other people, you can only change yourself. Start some self care.
^^^THIS!!!^^^ "Tell him that
^^^THIS!!!^^^ "Tell him that maybe if he’d told SD that she was being unreasonable or that she should take the high road (whatever argument he’s using on you) the two of you wouldn’t be in this situation.
Then walk away."
Even more important words,
Even more important words, "SELF CARE"!!!
You MUST take care of yourself first; to hell with what others think.
Listen to these smart ladies!
Listen to these smart ladies! Also remind him he is not to give you cards nor anything from her. He doesn’t need to even talk about her to you. His trying to keep a connection between you and her is part of the problem.
You don’t have time for her nor his nonsense.
Stand your ground. You have
Stand your ground. You have the right to stand up and protect yourself. Don't even explain why you won't go, he knows why. He just expects you to keep the peace, not rock the boat and be a doormat like he is.
If she truly is evil her children will end up harmed emotionally and do you want to engage with that?
Go do something fun for you instead. You deserve it. You deserve to be treated respectfully and have a drama free life.
I am in the exact same boat. My SD30 is due to have SGK #3 next month. I will be expected to go or I will look cold hearted and petty. I am not going to go and I am sure there will be Hell to pay. But I just can't do it anymore.
Call in "sick" ... no one can
Call in "sick" ... no one can argue with that. If you are ill, you are being considerate by not visiting a new mother and baby. About midnight the night before scheduled visit, go into the bathroom and FLUSH and FLUSH and moan and groan. Then tell your DH you can't go ...
I told my DH, NO. He has
I told my DH, NO. He has never stood up for me, protected me from her toxic antics. She is not allowed in my house, and will not be allowed in the future. So yes I had to be the tough one, the one who said, NO MORE. He allowed her mistreatment of me, but I will allow it NO MORE. Stand up for yourself, your DH is not going to.
Moose I'm sorry you're going
Moose I'm sorry you're going through this horrible situation. The power yielded by these narcissistic SDs can be seen as an awesome force- I know I have been through this with my OSD and have come out of the other side. I have not seen or spoken to her for six months. DH has not dealt with it very well- he will still not admit that she is at fault (when it is really his fault for not standing up to her), which at least your DH seems to have accepted, even if he just seems to be going along with it to placate you.
What they are clearly trying to do here is to suck you back in- because without you they have no audience except each other. Don't buy into this scam!
The question of how to raise your self-esteem is the only challenge for you- and this is absolutely vital for your mental health and self-confidence.
Let DH see how hard you are- say no, no and then no. Keep calm, don't be intimidated into getting angry.
'So a situation has come up that I would have to be around her. DH says I should and I would just have to say hello and be nice and see the grandkid. I am scared. I don't want to be around her. I don't want her to think that everything is OK and she can start coming around. I don't want her in my life and I don't want to be in hers. I don't want to be around someone who thinks they bullied me yet again and got a way with it.
If I say no they DH thinks I am being the hard one and defends SD. What do I do? How do I handle this and future situations?'
Don't go to this thing-find something much more important to do like seeing an old friend, going to a movie,getting your hair done whatever.
This is how you handle it, time and time over again refuse to engage with this woman-find the things that make you happy and do them, over and over again until you don't even think about her anymore. Do not allow her to control your thoughts- set her adrift on an imaginary boat and wave her good-bye every time she comes into your head.
I have become much harder, but also much happier- and if DH thinks I've become hard then just let him see how much harder I could get if I ever have to do anything again for OSD. Disengagement is your only way out of this, and plenty of people on here will help you through it!
OP: Follow this advice. I
OP: Follow this advice.
I have been, am going through, and will continue to stay disengaged.
Every decision you make from this moment forward should be to put a stop to this.
My DH hates it, but he contributed to the problem. It is DH and my SD57's problem. I no longer engage or even think about it.
Holidays, birthdays, BBQ's, dinners, socializing without my DH is part of it; I don't like that part, but I WILL NEVER put myself up for any more bullying.
DISENGAGE on your terms.
These people are not only narcissist, they are crazy and not worth your time and effort.
Good Luck, stay here for support, and ((((hugs))))
You/we did not create these
You/we did not create these situations. Most of us wanted one big happy family, at least in the beginning. Quickly, in this dynamic, most of us realize there is nothing we can do to be included when the family goal is exclusion and the ddaddeee is doormat jello. Of course these adults act this way because they were raised this way, and a parent who has never corrected a child will most certainly never correct an adult, right or wrong. Thus, they pay for the consequences, all their lives. WE are just part of it, we may never know all of it.
Protect yourself, he is not on YOUR side, you must be and if that means not being on HIS side----he can blame himself for being a suck up woosie.
Just know, MANY of us are dealing with the same awful and sick situation, you are certainly not alone. My mother told me, and it is true, "your situation is hopeless." When I accepted that, I was better. Just stop trying to ride that dead horse....it is dead. If you stay away from bullies, you take their power away.
I understand your
I understand your dilemma...if you give in to your husband's desires and play nice, it appears that you are giving in to her.
If you stand your ground, you become a bigger target to her and an annoyance to your DH for not playing along.
Everybody wants you to do something and the only person who does not get to do what they want is you. So you choose...stand strong like a tree and don't let the winds of ill will blow you down. Don't let them see you even flinch. Are you strong enough for that? The other choice is to give in to what they want...if you do that, AND you don't want to do that, then you are living a lie. I would much rather have them all hate me because I acted responsibly for my own needs then to do good by them and they still hate me no matter what but for no reason...
I agree with the others. The
I agree with the others. The only way to combat this is to go full-on disengagement. No form of communication or contact, including "gifts". That card wasn't any type of gift to you, it was just another way for your SD to get a jab in. If your DH tries to hand you a card again, smile and either put it away and never open it, or simply toss it in the trash. Don't ever answer a phone call from her, or a text message, or an email. Your SD doesn't exist in your world.
You can't reason with a narc because in their minds, they're perfect and you're always wrong. Just cut the cord.
And I agree with counseling. You should insist that your DH join you.
Every time my DH goes to
Every time my DH goes to visit SD I now go to Hobby Lobby. I love Hobby Lobby. It is my happy place and much more fun then driving 5 hours to be ignored and belittled.
Just stop discussing your SD
Just stop discussing your SD with your DH. There is no reason that he needs you to go see her. You don't want to go, and she doesn't want you there. IGNORE THE WHORE. Who cares what she "got away with" as long as you do not have to see her or talk to her.
I do not expect my DH to lecture SS, to tell him to act better, or to somehow punish SS for his actions. All I ask of DH is that HE KEEP SS AND HIS GF AWAY FROM ME. Permanently.
There's no apology or actions that SS and the GF can give me that will ever make me want to let them back in my home. They can add nothing positive to my life.
DH of course is free to see his son when he wants. I realize the GF is being a b*tch and saying that she doesn't want to be around DH because he won't make me "behave". Translation - she can no longer visit at my lake home or my vacation condo. Not my problem.
The b*tch should be glad that I refuse to be near her. I can verbally rip someone to shreds without even raising my voice or using curse words.
Here's what I did, Moose, and
Here's what I did, Moose, and I bet it would work for you too. You just tell your husband, with as much sweetness and sincerity as you can muster: "This is such a special time for you and grandkid. You'll enjoy it so much more if I'm not there causing all that tension with SD. You just go alone and tell them I said, 'Hi' and have fun!"
Now your first reaction may be that you're not a good enough liar to pull off saying that to your husband with even a sliver of sincerity. But really, it IS true - what encounter isn't improved without tension? But more importantly, this statement works so well because he can't argue with something so reasonable and true, not to mention...selfless of you (tear in my eye!) If he comes back at you insisting you go, you just say it all again, tell him how much sense it makes, maybe throw in, "Doesn't it make sense, hon?" so you get him verbally on board before he entirely realizes what he agreeing to and, if you must...make it clear in all that sweetness that the subject is closed and not negotiable.
I'm telling you, I only had to say this twice to my husband before he realized I was done with the BS visits to be the audience for his kid's stream-of-consciousness monologue. All of a sudden he knew he'd now be an audience of one for those performances.
You will love the freedom from this BS drama with him and his kid. No longer will you pull into your driveway after a visit with his kids and think, "Shit, there's 10.5 hours I'll never get back." Disengagement will make you feel like the kid sitting at home in front of the TV while everyone else suffers calculus class. You will feel younger, thinner, smarter and maybe even a little more loving to your spouse now that YOU are controlling your own destiny in regard to the skids!
I am telling you, true disengagement is the gift to yourself that keeps on giving! Do it today to mark the New Year!
I agree with the others. I
I agree with the others. I have not spoken to oldest SD since spring of 2017. Initially it was really difficult and hurt sometimes to have DH go off and meet with them. But as everyone on here told me it gets easier with time. Christmas was great. I only worried about my children and grandchildren. DH could not believe that I did not go out Christmas shopping for his children and grandchildren and he tried to guilt me into it. I was proud of myself for not doing it. No special, thoughtful gifts for any of them this year. Their father gave them all gift cards. I have a lot less stress and I am saving lots of $ with them out of my life. Now if I could just get them out of my head. I am working on that. LOL
I have read some very good
I have read some very good responses here. Personally, I would not feign illness - I would be straight about it and just say you are not going, now or at any time.
I spent too many years of my life, giving in and going along with things that insulted my soul. Making myself very uncomfortable so that other people would not have to feel uncomfortable. I do not intend to ever do that again, I will be true to myself, even though sometimes it may cost me more than I want to pay at the time - eventually the investment will pay off.
I agree- why should you have
I agree- why should you have to lie?- Speak your truth- always. It will set you free!
So, not only should you put
So, not only should you put up with your bullying SD, but your husband wants to bully you into being around her? Apple didn't fall far from that tree!
That absolutely would not work for me. And I wouldn't pretend to be sick, nor would I pretend that I'm bowing out for the greater good. I am at the point where I feel that I don't have to be around people that I don't care to be around, who don't add anything (except grief) to my life. And I don't have to make excuses for it.
Stand your ground and stand up for yourself. Nobody else is going to do it for you, apparently, not even your husband.
There's this thing called
There's this thing called going "grey rock" on a narcissist. I'd look it up.
This is basically what I do
This is basically what I do with my SD26.
She's not a narcissist, just incredibly stupid, has no personality, and she believes all of the lies BM has told her about me and DH, so is very bitter towards us and thinks we owe her something. She is not worth the energy for me to be emotionally invested in her.
Gray rock is very effective
Gray rock is very effective with destructive narcissists.
You pick an object that has no real meaning to you, a name brand purse or sunglasses, or even something big, a car or extravagant vacation. Talk it up, say how important it is to you.
The narcissist will do everything in their power to take it from you or ruin it.
While they are focused on the gray rock, you deal with what is really important, your marriage, your kids, getting away from the narcissist.
The thing is the narcissist can never know what your real priorities are. They have little to no empathy and can only react to what you give them.
SD knows how to hurt you, give her the gray rock to hurt instead.
Wow, thank you. Never heard
Wow, thank you.
Never heard of the Gray Rock technique, so I googled and found this excellent summary:
https://lovefraud.com/the-gray-rock-method-of-dealing-with-psychopaths/
How happy are you being in a
How happy are you being in a marriage where you are EXPECTED by your DH to accept bullying behavior by his child so he can have his own selfish needs met?
To me that is no marriage. His child is an adult. You and she do not need to have a relationship.
I would tell him you are withdrawing; you are no one's scapegoat; if he doesn't like it he can lump it.
I would recommend counseling for both of you again. If he refuses to go, then you should go alone to see if you want to stay in a marriage like this.
In the meantime, tell your DH you don't accept bullying behavior from anyone, and that includes his Special Princess. If it's important to see his grandkid, he's going to have to figure it out, especially since he didn't seem to put a lot of effort into parenting her.
Twisted dynamic going on
Twisted dynamic going on between Husband and his adult kids.
It is very unhealthy.
My best guess is this went on with DH and his parents OR Grandparents. Usually is type of behavior is generational.
To answer your questions "How do you handle Narcissistic Bullying Adult Stepchildren", my answer is I don't. I don't allow this junk in my life, nor does my dh. We don't. We just don't.
Here is one: Paraphrasing Dr. Phil. 'You can call me a son of a bitch all you want but your gonna do it from a distance".
Are you asking us under the radar IF wives are expected to deal with this stuff? Are you asking IF our husbands expect us to suck this junk UP? Are you asking if any of us have husbands like yours?
Are you asking if it is ok to get a divorce and live the rest of your years in peace and harmony?
From Psychology today(pretty
From Psychology today(pretty much advocates disengaging):
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolution-the-self/201711/the-catch...
So here again is the catch-22: It’s “damned if you do; damned if you don’t.” Assertively defending yourself or standing up to them in the face of their verbal aggression is a losing battle. But so is allowing them to walk all over you. For here, failing to honor your very person hood, you risk losing yourself. And that’s why therapists agree that getting out of such a relationship is your best choice.
I wonder if this has any
I wonder if this has any connection to skids punishing the bio-parent when the step-parent disengages, manipulating the bio-parent to punish or shame the step parent for not being cooperative. This way the skid accomplishes what they set out to do anyway, to create a divide so they can reclaim their parent. This is when you HAVE to be adamant about your individual rights. My SD is also a narcissist but the Grey Rock way of dealing with it will not work with her. It took complete disengagement.
I like to use the 'Grey Rock' approach as MammaDukes suggested with narcissists. My Mother is a narcissist who used to get her kicks out of goading me for details of my personal life, getting me upset and then cutting me off with, "I wouldn't dwell." Now it's just the 'weather report' and she usually cuts the conversation short. LOL
Damned if you do, Damned if
Damned if you do, Damned if you don't so just don't! The way I look at it now is that DH and his kids managed to have a relationship before I arrived so they can continue like before without me involved.
Has anyone successfully been
Has anyone successfully been able to get help with this through couples therapy? I mean if the DH can't accept the fact that he has raised and enabled a full blown narcissist and thinks the SM is crazy for claiming/thinking this, will he listen to a professional? Can they be taught to understand about the cycles of co-dependency and etc?
"Has anyone successfully been
"Has anyone successfully been able to get help with this through couples therapy?" Swamped, This would be a good question to start another thread with. In my case, DH and I went to counselling a couple of times and it didn't make any difference. One of the therapists asked him, "Do you want to be married or not?" When SD had her final meltdown he refused to go to counselling so I did by myself. It was one of the best things I've done in my life.
You will find it really doesn't matter if your DH accepts that he has narcissistic brats or his role in the co-dependency cycle. It's your discovery of yourself, your value as a human being, and what you will accept from others.
^^This! "...discovery of
^^This!
"...discovery of yourself, your value as a human being, and what you will accept from others." Thank you for writing that! This is what StepTalk is helping me with, so much. I am reclaiming something this week that I unwillingly shared (already cut SS17 off from that same privilege after repeated, continuous pot-smoking, lying, conning DH, pluS the ongoing NOT-job-hunting, not fulfilling graduation requirements, etc.), and it's me realizing that staying quiet about it has greatly contributed to my anxiety that SS17 will fail I mean REFUSE to launch, thus forcing DH to have to kick him out this Summer, as our terms have always (=5 years since DH got primary custody & we've advised SS17 the whole time that he can continue living here IF he's 1) enrolled in college full-time with a part-time job to pay gas & insurance, or 2) if he's been accepted into the military. The former is unlikely as SS is almost 18 but showing zero signs of doing anything toward those "goals" of ours (that SS doesn't seem to share), including getting a drivers license and a job.) remained constant, and very frequently communicated to SS17.
Now I have to go forward with something to protect myself and I can no longer override my gut instinct that I MUST protect myself. DH is not on the same page as me regarding this issue but understands now that it's been intolerable for me and unrealistic for him to expect me to enable it. Something broke in me earlier this month when just 3 days after DH angrily confronted SS17 about his lies, coming home stoned, refusing to keep his hygiene and room clean (same 1/5th used toothpaste tube is in SS's bathroom that I put in there brand new back in early May 2017, as an example), refusing to get a haircut, job-hunt, or fulfill grad requirements (he's a high school Senior, emphasis on the "high")) ... something broke after seeing DH get swept back into SS's lies just 3 DAYS after he was confronted, apologized, and promised to take action. I hate living with someone who lies to his own dad's face, who I cannot trust. I realized I MUST make a change to protect myself. Because overriding my gut instinct is hurting me and I need to value myself more than that.
Agree! One outcome of "damned
Agree! One outcome of "damned if you do" is that you will be expected to do it again. With "damned if you don't," you're done.
Your DH is ok with YOU feeling frustrated, out of place, unwanted, miserable so that HE isn't uncomfortable and can have a pretend "everybody gets along" moment. Gag.
Good thread with lots of good
Good thread with lots of good advice.
You seem to be in a step dynamic where there's a lot of cognitive dissonance. That's a fancy way of saying you're feeling conflicted because what you're experiencing and observing is completely different from the version of reality spun by your H.
You are NOT crazy. You are NOT mistaken. Your husband's daughter does indeed dislike you. And your H is desperate to keep you from upsetting the applecart.
It's like that catchphrase from Game of Thrones - You know things.
It sounds as if you've already begun to disengage from your SD since you don't accompany your H on visits. I would continue to remove myself from all things SD related. No announcements, accusations, or arguments, just a breezy certitude that you know what's best for you. Sure, your H will try to manipulate you. He'll likely run through several phases before accepting that you have permanently taken yourself out of the equation. Continue to care for youself, and let him continue his sick dance with his daughter.
i married dh while the skids
i married dh while the skids were all quite young. bm had custody of them and dh only had sporadic visitation. as they grew into their teens and into adults they emerged as the narcissistic adults they are now.
i eventually disengaged. i did not know it was called that. i read "stepmonster" and that validated a lot of what i already knew.
couples therapy is not effective in remarriage situations as most counselors dont know a thing about step life.
sd too promiscious? its not my problem. she got canned from her job for sleeping with the boss? yawn. ss and sd on drugs? not my problem either.
disengage and youll feel much better. narcissist people can suck the life out of you. they know exactly what they are doing.
this is a great article on step mothers in a nutshell:
http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/beyondblue/2009/11/stepmonster-8-rea...
Thank you all so much for the
Thank you all so much for the good advice. It has really helped me. I have told DH that I will not be around SD at all. I am 100% disengaging. I have never seen her kid and I do not plan on ever seeing him. DH and BM made their children into narcissistic adults. They were already that way when I came along. He will not have a "normal" family relationship with his grandkid but this is his own doing by raising narcissistic children. It is a generational thing and I have no doubt that SD is already making her kid the next one. He will have to see the kid at SD house or somewhere else. I don't feel guilty about it at all. The sickness of DH and BM's marriage and how they used their kids as emotional support because of the bad marriage made things the way they are now. They all have to live with it. It is their own doing. SD and SS will never be normal, loving caring people, they will never be happy.
I feel so much better disengaged. I found me again. I will never go back to being the dirt that SD and SS walk on. If DH has a problem with my disengaging that is his problem to deal with. No way am I every going back.
I have spent much time reading about narcissistic personality disorder. They will never change period. They are sociopaths. I got sucked into all their games but, I can see that now and I will not put myself in that situation again ever. I also will not allow DH to put me in it also. I am going with damned if I don't.
I read alot about grey rock. DH and I read about it together also. I think that will work for him because he still will be around his narcissistic kids. Total disengagement is what will work best for me. I don't have any good feelings for SD, SS or Skid so there is no reason for me to be around them at all. I am done trying to have any relationship with them. They are dead to me.
SD is already turning her anger on to her husbands sister and mother.She is finding her new marks. She has now started trashing them to DH. He just changes the subject. I think DH is seeing how sick his kids really are. That is a heavy burden for him to bear.
You all have helped me more than any counselor ever has. They have no idea what these narcissistic stepadults do to people. I really would not be where I am at now If I had not found all of you. You all get it.
I am reading a book now called Pyschopath free(recovering from emotionally abusive relationships with narcissists, sociopaths and other toxic people.) So far it is really good. I know longer am looking for a way to make the relationship work with SD and SS. I understand what and who they are. I am standing up for me now.
Sandy21 I think you and I are at the same place in our lives. I hope that I can be here for all of you now also.
Moose, I was in your place 7
Moose, I was in your place 7 years ago, and can tell you that it just gets better as time goes on. You are on your way to healing now and it will open up a whole new world to you. I had no idea how narcissists can tax your mind and body until I stopped allowing them into my brain. With each year that passes I have become even more determined to never go back to 'Stephell as usual'. I'd rather have a root canal! LOL
I will definitely have to pick up the book.
Moose, Looks like you
Moose, Looks like you received a ton of good advice.
After reading through the posts, I learned something also. If part of being a narcissist is to try and make others think that you are a perfectly decent person and have treated your SM nicely, then this describes my OSD and SS's. They have always tried to brainwash anyone who will listen that I am the evil SM and they are perfect, and that it is all my fault that DH does not want to be the gskids babysitter and attend any events where they can display their toxic behavior toward us.
If what I have done helps you out any, is to try and not put myself in a position where the adult skids can play their mean games. That means I don't invite them to our home and I avoid events where they may be at. No more stress and it is a great feeling.
Not sure if your Dh took it upon himself to tell your SD you liked the card, without consulting with you first. I would not like it if my DH did that to me. That is terrible what she did on Xmas. Just keep ignoring her and your life will get better. It has worked for me.
NO ADULT SKIDS PRESENT = NO STRESS
Sandye21 you are right. Stop
Sandye21 you are right. Stop letting them in your head is the hard part. It really has helped me to understand how narcissists work. Dealing with them is not like dealing with someone "normal"
Things that to someone else should just be common sense or reasonable are not with them. Narcissists are a whole different ball game. They never change. If they are being nice to you it is all just a front. I am very determined also to never go back to stephell either.
disrestep I also will avoid all events they maybe at. If DH does not like that he will just have to get to the point he understands that he created this himself. He raised his kids to be narcissists. and when we first were together he shifted the power to them, to dictate my being allowed around them. All of this falls on his shoulders.
DH did take it upon himself to tell SD that I liked the card. I did not like that he did that. He said he did it because he did not want her to know she got to me. I think he is just playing her narcissistic games so she won't cut him off from seeing his grandkid. It is his sick game to play with her. I have and will from now on remove myself from it all. I will not be a part of it. He said he was going to tell her that if she gets him a present she needs to get me one too. I told him I did not want him telling her that. I do not want any kind of a relationship with them at all. I won't play their sick games. I am done. I am not going back down that road ever. I will not get pulled back in!
DH needs to come to terms with the fact that it is to late. It is to late for his kids and I to ever have any kind of a relationship. It is not going to happen. I don't care if she became the nicest person in the world to me. I know now that it would just be part of her sick game. It is to late. Again he was the one with the power to change it and he choose not to. His mess. He has to learn to deal with the outcome of his own actions. He must live with what he created and know it is on him.
My sister in law whom I thought I could trust proved other wise. She tried to convince me that I had to have a relationship with skids to be able to keep DH. That I had to give into them. She was just playing a game with me also. She did not care about what it was doing to me. She only cared about making me into a pawn for the stepkids. I see her in a totally new light also. She is not someone to trust. If DH wants to give up our marriage because I don't have a relationship with his kids, so be it. That would be his choice. I have stopped chasing him. I am stronger than that now.
I have now taken the burden off my shoulders and placed it squarely where it belongs. I let them convince me it was all me. It wasn't. Their sick relationships and personality disorders sucked me in. I am healing, they will never change or be normal. They will never be happy. I will. I will no longer be the good little girl who does not speak up for herself. If people ask I will tell them the truth. I was abused. I will not let anyone put it back on my shoulders.
The part I am very grateful for is, I did not raise my 3 bio kids to be like this. They have been accepting and respectful to DH since day one. Their father died when they were very young.
I can see now that I did a good job on my own. I am proud of the adults my children have become.
DH and BM stayed together for the sake of the children. They put on a fake show for people to think they were the perfect family. They did not divorce until SD was is college and SS was junior in high school. Their staying together in a sick marriage did nothing but raise sick adults. Neither SD or SS have any idea of what a loving giving marriage is all about. All they know is self centered entitlement. SD is all ready proving in her marriage that she is a narcissist and will raise her son to be the same. SS is 31 YO and has had one short term relationship. The girl figured out who he was and ran.
So just because kids are raised in an intact home for most of their childhood. It is not always the best choice. It is not always what is best for the kids. In DH and BM case it turned out to be very selfish. It was just to make mom and dad look good. It had nothing to do with raising kind, loving, empathetic adults. A very good example of you reap what you sow.
A single parent can raise very decent kids on her own.
you are so right disrestep NO ADULT SKIDS PRESENT = NO STRESS
Thank you all for you friendship and support. Steptalk is the best!
Oh Moose, It is so good to
Oh Moose, It is so good to hear you are well on the road to healing yourself. You have taken a big step. There will be times when you take a few steps back but just refocus on YOUR positive journey and you will continue on the path to happiness. It just takes time.
My SIL 'surprised' me also. I thought she was unbiased. She wasn't. Thank goodness for us they revealed where their loyalties lie, huh? I'm pleasant to her but she's another one who gets the 'weather report' - no personal information.
You wrote, "I am proud of the adults my children have become." This is a big, big sign to tell you the problems with the Skids has nothing to do with you.
Moose! You are doing great!
Moose! You are doing great! Your post just reminded me of the big picture. I've read it three times! Sometimes I forget why I'm at the point of my disengagement, where I have gained peace and am moving forward.
My DH, BM, and Skids are all very narcissistic. My grown skids were always enabled and controlled; this explains the generations of narcissist; this explains why the attempt to control and enable the sgrandkids, thus the SGkids are doing the same to their kids, ugh.... It is like a hidden personality; everyone outside the circle thinks they are wonderful, giving people. Like you said, narcissist know how to manipulate.
I now find myself recognizing it immediately, when DH is trying to draw me back into the game. I do believe that DH doesn't even realize he is doing it, as much as, he wants to have control; of course we know this is part of being a narcissist "control". You have described it totally in this post. It fits like a hand made boot.
Now that I have disengaged, my DH has let the "control" go, most of the time (he still tries occasionally). My DH realizes he can no longer control me and the more he attempts, the more I walk away and for a longer time. I don't play games; I tend to just walk away from an unpleasant situation and do something constructive, with no words uttered. This is why I have my own "woman's cave"; my sewing room/office/reading space, equipped with my own TV and recliner. I noticed DH didn't like the "woman cave", but he now has accepted my private area.
You are on the road to success. I read it here, and feel the positive outcome. I fell off the wagon many times, but now I don't give it much thought, unless they stand in front of me and purposely light the torch. Then I just excuse myself, make absolutely no excuses, and walk away. I stay civil and distant. It is tempting to tell SD what I think and walk away, but I will not give her the satisfaction. I've never responded to her. Narcissist are the best at pushing the envelope. They realize it too, because they thrive on drama.
Stay here, and we will get through it together. Again, you are doing very well.
(((hugs)))
I don't tolerate
I don't tolerate inappropriate behaviors from anyone including Skids regardless of their age.
Bullying.... Ha! Bring it on! }:) I destroy that crap with every resource at my disposal in an as humiliating and public way as possible.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
DISENGAGE that's all I can
DISENGAGE that's all I can say, it's working for me at the moment and I feel so much more relaxed and couldn't give a stuff what the childish adult SD's are doing or how SO is handling it because he has to clean up their mess behind them if he isn't going to make them do it he has to, he will soon tire of that (I hope) (I just want them to grow up and move out)
I don't even entertain my
I don't even entertain my partner's two children in the UK. They hate me and I hate them. The daughter is apparently working longer hours. She does not want me at their events but wants to dump her
mannerless BRAT in my home TILL 8.30 TILL 9PM MON TO THURS. .....
I don't even entertain my
I don't even entertain my partner's two children in the UK. They hate me and I hate them. The daughter is apparently working longer hours. She does not want me at her events but wants to dump her
mannerless BRAT in my home TILL 8.30-9PM MON TO THURS. .....she is going to have a big problem if my partner is out and I am in the office...she is NOT getting a key to my home EVER.......
If you had toothache could you go to a gym
in the evening?
I think she is lying to her father. I am binding my time.....