Should I Walk?
My boyfriend and I are thinking about getting married. We love each other, share the same principles, values, faith. We do not fight over money, or hobbies or have jealousy issues. He has 4 adult children from his 1st and only marriage. I have none. His 23 year old is a college student, virtuous virginal, church going, sings in the church worship service and every move she makes is either about school, work or church. She hates me. I am in Christian Counseling over the issues with his daughter. She is rude and disrespectful to me. Up until 6 months ago, she lived with her father. Now Dad lives with me and she moved in with her married sister. She is very bitter over the upheaval in her life and thinks I am manipulative, insecure and makes her father do things he would normally not do (ie) have a life.....My fear is this, this problem is never going to go away. She will always hate me. I have gone in to full withdrawal mode and get depressed at the thught of being round her mood swings and brooding. I am tired of giving only to be disrespected. I am rethinking marrying a man where I know every holiday will be an emotional roller coaster for me. The daughter has no life skills and if she fails, and wants to move back home, ours will be the only one(mine) and I will not make that sacrifice. My Bf recognizes the problem but will not sit down and talk with her. She will email him "I have no problem with your relationship with her (me) but then will list 10 thing she hates about me. (her mother fuels fuels the hate) I have tried to reach out and she refuses to sit down and talk with me. She states she is intimidated by "strong" women and even if I was not dating her father, she would not like me... Do I continue in relationship with this or do I ignore it and see if things work out. My BF is sick and tired of talking about it and feels I am far too judgemental of his good daughter. I am sooo depressed but fear a life of turmoil. Do things ever change?
Don't discuss marriage until
Don't discuss marriage until he has The Talk. He has probably never seen this side of her and it waiting for it to pass over.
However he is obviously clueless to a woman's way to make things got HER way.
So just continue with your life. When your BF brings her up say "Let's not talk about her." and change the subject. If he pushes the conversation say "This is about her not getting her way. She and I should talk this out in counselling. She just needs to make the call. So, what do you want for dinner?"
" I love you and will marry you one day. But not now. No, not even engaged. NOw let's not talk about something that would distress your family so."
He will know exactly what you are talking about and eventually he WILL talk with her. He just has to want you more than her.
The thing is, does he want you more than her?
Thanks for your advice. My
Thanks for your advice. My BF will not bring it up. He avoids conflict with her and me at all costs (even me). He thinks by ignoring it, it will go away. I am 49 with a good head on my shoulders, an ex (after 23 years) who respects me. I am in good shape and at times can still turn a head or 2. I have NO baggage. He tells me any man I date at my age will have similar issues with dramatic exes and children issues. I love him dearly, but I am afraid I am obsessed with this problem that he does not see. I dread holidays, birthdays, going to church with his family (only because of the one child, the rest are rather decent to me). I know these are precious pieces of his and his ex wifes life. If the daughter could just be kind and respectful, I could move forward. I suggested counseling for her. He made the mistake of saying this was my idea and she became even more resentful of me. Can I marry a man and ignore this and just live around it? Not spend Christmas or holidays with a man as his daughter makes me miserable. What is fair to ask for here? I know the counselor will say he needs to Talk with her and invite her to a meeting, but she will never do it. If he talks to her, she will take the position that we are adults and can do what ever we want, but then my man will want to be a part of her life and it will be strained for him and me. Is everyone my age going to have issues and a bad back? I just want a life with NO DRAMA. Is that possible. I do not want to give him up, but I can't give me up either.
Mjordan, I'm sorry to hear
Mjordan, I'm sorry to hear you're going through this. You must get your BF to discuss the issues that she's having because if he's not doing it now, he won't change if/when you get married. Burying his head in the sand and not dealing with it won't make it go away, but it's typical. Is he willing to go to counseling?
I'm sorry you're in counseling for this, but it's her issue, not yours. And what really disturbs me is that with SD's Christian background, she's not living up to the Christian code. She cleary has issues. You have 3 choices here: One, stay w/BF and allow him to turn his head to and not call her out on her foolishness and suffer at the hands of her maliciousness. 2 - Stay w/BF and avoid SD and all family functions entirely. Or 3 - put your foot down and call his bluff by telling him that if he doesn't address her and her issues, it's a done deal. I personally would chose number 3 . . and call his bluff to make him step up to the plate and show me where I really stand.
Finally, this is really your BF's issue and he needs to put things in perspective and decide which warrants his greater concern, his daughter's feelings or yours.
Either way, good luck.
Nope. I have a 54 y.o. father
Nope. I have a 54 y.o. father who is a widower from his 2nd wife. His first wife is still alive, but they almost never talk. I'm his only offspring and live half way across the country. He and I have a good but distant-ish relationship. Want his number?
Thanks Shannon and Doll face.
Thanks Shannon and Doll face. I am cracking up over Dolls comment. Sure send it to me!!!! What a great support this forum is. I think I will bite the bullet at some point and take Shannons advice. Hopefully this can be done under the care of the counselor. If the daughter were not a Christian it would be easier for me. Her walk with God makes me feel like God told her to love everyone but me! One last question...What does my BF do in the "TALK". He has called her out on the disrespect and always seems to apologize for me requiring respect and good manners. That I am different.... I just want to know why she hates me, what I did, and how we go forward so there is not the turmoil. Does it really solve anything if we are forced to be together and each of us feeling like we are in hell but civil?
She hates you because she's
She hates you because she's petty, mean-spirited and her dad loves you and you're a major part of his life. It's as simple as that. It's sad really and she needs to get over it and get a life. Alot of pathetic adult SDs don't want any one else to have a piece of daddy's heart. It's quite common and ridiculous. His daughter has issues, plain and simple. Don't try to figure her out . . you won't be able to. She's lost. The best thing you can do is pray for her and move on. Continue to enjoy your life with your BF and plan your future. Maybe she'll one day get the help she needs. But don't allow her actions to poison your life or your relationship. Don't give her that power and control.
I've been down that road, so I can relate. My SD is 27 and still lives with us. She's getting married next year and I'm so happy that I want to hug her fiance everytime I see him. She and I have had issues from the start. She never came out and said she hated me but her actions indicated such. She also refused to clean up after her self, is selfish, mean-spirited, petty and told DH I didn't like her. After I reminded DH of all the stuff she'd done to me, and asked him if I had a son who pulled the same thing how would he feel? He also keeps his foot in her behind and has had endless talks w/her about her behavior. She's also said and did crummy things to DH. And he recently stated he thinks she has psychological issues.
So after 3 years, we have a civil relationship, but certainly not best friends. I speak and we may chit chat here and there, but that's about it. She's finally starting to act like she has some sense because I think she's fearful of having conflict in her own marriage after causing so much conflict in ours. Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Excellent post Saffron5567
Excellent post Saffron5567 and I must admit that some days I feel the same way. In my case my pathetic SD is getting married, but what I didn't mention is that for some reason, they've yet to set the date. How hard is it to set a date and work towards it? So I can't even start the count down because I don't know when she's planning on moving out.
This is indicative of how selfish she is. Has she ever considered that DH and I would like to know when we'll have the place to ourselves? The stupid B has no clue as to what she's in for once she gets married.
DH .. who has had his share of jelly back days, is hoping they'll wait and do it in 2013. I've told him if she doesn't get married next year, I'm leaving and I mean just that. She's probably dumb enough to ask if she and her new hubby can move in w/us to save money, and DH is moronic enough to agree. But I think her fiance would be wise enough to know better.
Right now, I'm saving so I can execute my plan to leave him here with her. I've been more than patient and I am not above separating or ending my marriage. Life is too short for BS. If she's here in 2013, she'll have lived w/us for 5 years . . and be damn near 30 which is ridiculous.
At this point, I have little interaction with her and spend alot of time in our bedroom because it's peaceful and I've made it quite comfortable . . considering it was pig sty when I moved in. I try to stay positive and not let this break my spirit and often flash back to the happy spirit I used to have before I moved in with them. I'm striving to get back to that place.
Hang in there and I wish you the very best.
I am confused that SD
I am confused that SD considers herself a Christian and yet has no problem treating you this way. Maybe point that out to DH, she is a hypocrite.
If at, 23, she has no life
If at, 23, she has no life skills, there's been a PATTERN established here. We can probably bet the ranch that mommykins has parented by GUILT and is treating her princess like BFF.
ON THE OTHER HAND, DADDYKINS has had a role in this too. He may have assigned her the role of "mini-wife" when she lived with him.
My Bf recognizes the problem but will not sit down and talk with her.
And there shows the fact that your intended wants to stick his head in the sand and hope it all goes away as he doesn't want to set his daughter straight and start removing the "adult spousal status" that he has given her; probably at a very young age.
So there has been HESITATION on his part to address this matter with FSD. BAD SIGN and RED FLAG!! If you hear anything like "I don't want to LOSE her" then you know that you will ALWAYS, ALWAYS come in last and that SD will quite literally be "the other woman" along with the BM in your relationship.
If you are asking now, that means you have a gut feeling that this is NOT what you had bargained for. Find a nice CHILDLESS man. . .STAT! Otherwise you are in for decades of misery. This ostrich technique by guilty daddy doesn't go away. And SD will most likely outlive you and him.
It is amazing how accurate
It is amazing how accurate the gut is. My BF raised all 4 children alone. Ex left him, got her degree, became a Physician Assistant and is now an alcoholic and has moved from innappropriate relationshio, one right after the other. All along pretending like the entire family unit was still intact. Very strange to say the least. The daughter has never moved out of the safety net of Daddy and the church and did not want any changes in her life, namely me. I am actually relieved he is getting annoyed with me as I think we need to re-evalute. I go back to the counselor on Friday. I am the first woman, 8 yrs post divorce, that he has had a real relationship with. Couselor thinks that is a huge part of the problem. If the kids had seen how bad it can be they may appreciate me more. I could have children that they hated, or financial problems or an alcohol/drug issue. Having been in a cocoon for the past 23 years, I never realized how complicated kids and family life was. Give me a tennis court and my pups any day over all this nonsense and I am happy. I think skids cause 70% of all divorces regardless of how much the 2 adults love each other. This is the sad thing. My BF loves me and I love him. I am just glad I am taking the time to make it ugly before we get married. I was a stepdaughter. Rudeness was not tolerated and respect was demanded from my brother and me and we gave it. My father had sole custody of each of us. Maybe it was easy as I did not have a bio mom contaminating my mind. I iwll let you know what the couselor says. I am going to demand he face the conflict, do some tough love with the girl and find away to work out a separate life with the daughter as I do not want to give to her. She has burned that bridge with me unless God really gets involved to soften my heart. I can not stand rude people.
Heh heh. Come to think of it
Heh heh. Come to think of it the Behemoth and her mother the "wookie" are "church ladies!"
OH the HYPOCRISY!!
In fact VD (SD 12 1/2) is tagged in a photo on their church's website getting ready to turn up her nose at the church buffet!!!